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Craig Montgomery
As the World Turns character
Jon Lindstrom as Craig Montgomery
Portrayed byScott Bryce (1982–1994, 2007–2008)
Hunt Block (2000–2005)
Jeffrey Meek (2006–2007)
Jon Lindstrom (2008–2010)
Duration
  • 1982–1991
  • 1993–1994
  • 2000–2010
First appearanceJanuary 1982
Last appearanceSeptember 17, 2010
ClassificationFormer; regular
Created byBridget and Jerome Dobson
Introduced by

Scott Bryce as Craig Montgomery

Hunt Block as Craig Montgomery
In-universe information
OccupationBusinessman
FatherBart Montgomery
MotherLyla Peretti
SistersCricket Ross
Half-sistersMargo Hughes
Katie Peretti
SpouseBetsy Stewart (1983–84)
Sierra Estaban (1987–2001)
Barbara Ryan (2001–02)
Rosanna Cabot (2003–04, 2005–07)
Meg Snyder (2007–08)
SonsBryant Montgomery
Gabriel Caras
Johnny Montgomery
DaughtersLucy Montgomery
NephewsAdam Munson
Casey Hughes
Billy Ross
Jacob Snyder
NiecesSuzanne Ross

Craig Montgomery is a fictional character on the CBS soap opera As the World Turns. He has been portrayed by Scott Bryce from 1982 to 1991, 1993 to 1994 and 2007 to 2008, Hunt Block from 2000 to 2005, Jeffrey Meek from 2006 to 2007, and Jon Lindstrom from 2008 to 2010.

Casting

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The role of Craig Montgomery has been played by four separate actors through the character's run. Scott Bryce appeared in the role from January 1982 to May 22, 1987, May 9, 1988 to November 1989, March 1990 to November 1990, March 1993 to December 1994 and April 10, 2007 to February 21, 2008. Hunt Block was the second actor to play the character from July 19, 2000 to October 31, 2005 before Jeffrey Meek joined from September 28, 2006 to April 2, 2007. Jon Lindstrom was the last actor to play the character, appearing from December 3, 2008 to September 10, 2010.[1]

Bryce is often considered to be the most well known actor in the role and was nominated for the Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Lead Actor in a Drama Series in 1986 and 1987, as well as for two Soap Opera Digest Awards in 1986 and 1988. Following his final appearance on the show, Bryce appeared on ABC's One Life to Live as Dr Crosby in 2006 and eventually co-created and executive produced the web series Steamboat with Michael O'Leary of Guiding Light. The series was intended to become a cable television show until it was broadcast on the Internet.[2][3] Block is also known for his daytime roles including Ben Warren on CBS' Guiding Light, Lee Ramsey on One Life to Live and Guy Donohue on All My Children. Following his exit, he also appeared in the 2010 feature film Salt, which starred Angelina Jolie and Liev Schreiber.[4][5] Meek has had a career all throughout television including The WB series Charmed and also appeared on the soap opera Search for Tomorrow.[6]

Lindstrom took over the role after the exit of Bryce.[7] He is a veteran of daytime dramas, having most notably played the character of Kevin Collins on ABC's General Hospital from 1993 to 1997 and 2004 and on the show's spin-off Port Charles from 1997 to 2003. He also played Kevin's twin brother Ryan Chamberlain on GH from 1992 to 1995.[8] His other daytime roles include Brady Chapin on Rituals in 1984, Mark McCormick on NBC's Santa Barbara from 1985 to 1986 and Paul Jarre on Generations in 1989. Lindstom was also nominated for a Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Lead Actor in a Drama Series for his role on ATWT in 2010.[9] Lindstrom was also pre-nominated for the award in 2011.[10] After the end of ATWT, Lindstom continues to act and most recently appeared in the romantic comedy What Happens Next in 2012, co-starring Wendie Malick, who stars on the TV Land sitcom Hot in Cleveland.[11][12] The actor also appeared on the CBS series Blue Bloods in 2011 released a CD with his band The High Lonesome that same year.[13]

Family and relationships

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Craig Montgomery is the son of Bart Montgomery and Lyla Crawford, making him the brother of Margo Montgomery Hughes, Cricket Montgomery and Katie Peretti. His relationships often surround Lucinda Walsh and her daughter Sierra Esteban. While he was married to Sierra and had two children with her including Bryant and Lucy Montgomery, his attraction for Lucinda eventually resulted in their contempt for one another and battles in business.[14] Craig is often involved in mysterious business dealings and his attempts for power tended to cloud his judgement when it came to what was best for his family. He was also married to Betsy Stewart, Barbara Ryan, Rosanna Cabot, whom he adopted their son Cabot Sinclair with, and Meg Snyder. His children also include Gabriel Caras and Johnny Montgomery, products of affairs with Lydia Caras and Jennifer Munson.

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Craig Montgomery is a fictional character from the American CBS daytime soap opera As the World Turns, which aired from April 2, 1956, to September 17, 2010. Introduced in 1982 as the son of Lyla Peretti and Bart Montgomery, and half-brother to Margo Hughes, Craig is depicted as an ambitious businessman from the fictional town of Oakdale, often engaging in manipulative schemes, romantic pursuits, and family dramas that span decades of the series. The character was originated by actor , who portrayed Craig in multiple stints from 1982 to 1987, 1988 to 1989, 1990, 1993 to 1994, and 2007 to 2008, earning critical acclaim for bringing depth to the role's complex traits. Subsequent actors included , who played Craig from 2000 to 2005 and received two Daytime Emmy nominations for the performance, emphasizing the character's villainous turn; , who took over from 2006 to 2007; and , who portrayed him from December 2008 until the series finale in 2010. Throughout As the World Turns, Craig's storylines highlighted his unlucky romantic history and penchant for intrigue, including marriages to Betsy Stewart, Sierra Esteban (with whom he had children Bryant and Lucy), , and Meg Snyder, as well as affairs with figures like Lucinda Walsh and Carly Tenney Snyder. Notable plots involved early of a rival's in 1982, schemes, kidnappings of family members, a baby switch in 2005, an via car bombing in 2008, and in 2010, faced financial pressure and debt threats from Chicago trader Anthony Blackthorn (portrayed by Billy Warlock), cementing his reputation as a charismatic yet ruthless figure in Oakdale's social and business circles.

Casting

Scott Bryce's Portrayal

originated the role of Craig Montgomery on the CBS daytime soap opera , debuting in January 1982 as a charismatic yet cunning newcomer to the town of Oakdale. Introduced as a student at Oakdale University, Craig swiftly pursued Betsy Stewart amid a rivalry with Steve Andropolous, establishing him as a figure driven by ambition and romantic intrigue from the outset. Bryce's initial run lasted until , 1987, during which he shaped Craig's as a master manipulator in both personal and professional spheres. A pivotal example was the 1983 storyline where Craig orchestrated a fall to feign , aiming to thwart Betsy's divorce plans and retain control over their marriage; this deception highlighted Bryce's ability to convey Craig's blend of charm and ruthlessness, cementing the character's reputation as a scheming anti-hero. Bryce returned to the role multiple times, first from May 9, 1988, to November 1989, followed by brief appearances in 1990, a stint from 1993 to 1994, and a notable comeback from April 10, 2007, to February 21, 2008. These recurring portrayals allowed Bryce to deepen Craig's manipulative business traits, such as through entanglements in corporate schemes and family deceptions, further solidifying the character's evolution as a persistent force in Oakdale's elite circles.

Recasts and Subsequent Actors

After Scott Bryce's initial departure from the role in the mid-1990s, the character of Craig Montgomery was recast multiple times to accommodate evolving storylines on . These recasts were driven by factors including actor availability, budget constraints, and the need to refresh the character's integration into ongoing plots such as family conflicts and corporate intrigue. Hunt Block assumed the role on July 19, 2000, portraying Craig until August 11, 2005, with a brief return on October 31, 2005. Block's interpretation emphasized Craig's vengeful return to Oakdale after , where he embezzled funds from his nephew Bryant and manipulated business dealings at BRO to rebuild his empire, often through ruthless tactics like marrying for her wealth and orchestrating her . His tenure highlighted struggles with Montgomery Enterprises, including the illegal involving his son Cabot, which Craig concealed by hiding accomplice Annabelle Fettle from authorities between 2002 and 2004. Block's exit was attributed to budget cuts at the show, prompting producers to despite his established chemistry with the cast. This portrayal shifted Craig toward a more overtly antagonistic figure, blending charm with calculated vengeance that deepened his conflicts with family members like Lucinda Walsh. Jeffrey Meek took over as Craig on September 28, 2006, for a short stint ending April 2, 2007. Meek's brief tenure coincided with intense custody battles over Craig's son , as he emerged from seeking to reclaim the child from Carly Tenney and Jack Snyder while navigating alliances and betrayals in Oakdale. To regain control of his business empire, Craig married Meg Snyder in 2007, but the scheme unraveled amid revelations involving . Meek's casting aimed to sustain momentum in these familial and legal arcs, but fan reception was lukewarm, leading to his dismissal after just six months as producers opted for a recast to better align with the character's legacy. His portrayal introduced a more desperate edge to Craig's manipulations, focusing on personal redemption through family ties but ultimately reinforcing the character's isolation. Jon Lindstrom portrayed Craig from December 3, 2008, until the series finale on September 17, 2010. Lindstrom's version brought Craig back to Oakdale with vengeful intent, including a failed car bomb plot against Paul Ryan in 2008, before fleeing and later returning amid escalating family tensions. As the show wound down, his arcs shifted toward partial redemption, with efforts at reconciliation involving his daughter Lucy—such as aiding her return—and mending strained bonds with Rosanna Cabot, culminating in softer dynamics that humanized Craig's villainy. This recast was motivated by the desire for a versatile actor to handle the character's transition from antagonist to a more nuanced figure in late-series plots, including reflections on past scandals like the Cabot adoption. Lindstrom's performance, drawing on his experience with complex roles, allowed for a layered exploration of Craig's evolution, emphasizing vulnerability in family reconciliations over pure scheming.

Creation and Character Overview

Development and Introduction

Craig Montgomery was created by soap opera writers and Jerome Dobson in 1981 as part of their efforts to revitalize the CBS daytime drama . The character debuted onscreen in January 1982, portrayed initially by , who originated the role and brought Montgomery to life as a charming yet scheming newcomer to the fictional town of Oakdale. Craig is the son of Bart and Lyla Montgomery, and half-brother to Margo Hughes. Introduced as an ambitious outsider arriving in Oakdale to pursue wealth and social connections, Craig quickly clashed with the town's established families, such as the Hugheses, through his manipulative tactics and charm. His core drive was to forge a prosperous legacy, a goal that starkly contrasted with the more conventional, stable paths of his sisters and highlighted his determination to rise above his family's hardships.

Personality Traits and Evolution

Craig Montgomery is characterized as a charismatic anti-hero whose magnetic often draws others into his orbit, blending charm with a ruthless drive for success. His core traits include manipulation and ambition, frequently leading him to prioritize personal power and control over ethical considerations, as seen in his calculated schemes that exploit relationships and opportunities. This self-sabotaging arrogance, rooted in a belief in his own ingenuity, repeatedly undermines his achievements, turning potential victories into downfalls. Throughout the series, Montgomery's personality evolves from an opportunistic in the early 1980s, where his kindhearted intentions were overshadowed by impulsive and deceitful pursuits in romance, to a more obsessive protector of his family by the . Under Douglas Marland, the character gained tenderness and depth, allowing for atonement and a romantic undercurrent that made audiences empathetic despite his flaws. In the , he attempted redemption through genuine care for his children and loved ones, yet his manipulative tendencies persisted, culminating in losses like control of his company, Worldwide Communications, amid cycles of grief-driven following personal tragedies such as the of his son Bryant. Psychologically, Montgomery's behaviors are influenced by recurring themes of rejection and loss in his family history, fostering trust issues that manifest in vengeful and controlling actions toward those who threaten his sense of security or legacy. His determination to safeguard his children, such as securing custody of and raising , highlights a protective born from past insecurities, though it often spirals into obsession. In soap opera archetypes, Montgomery embodies the "ruthless businessman" trope, evolving the charming rogue into a complex figure whose moral ambiguity drives narrative tension, much like classic anti-heroes who blend villainy with redeemable vulnerability.

Storylines

1980s Arcs

Craig Montgomery debuted on As the World Turns in January 1982 as the charming but scheming son of Lyla Peretti and Bart Montgomery, quickly establishing himself as a manipulative anti-hero through his tumultuous marriage to Betsy Stewart. The couple wed hastily after Craig rescued Betsy from an explosion intended for her love interest, Steve Andropolous, though the union was marked by Craig's deceit from the outset. In a bid to sabotage Steve, Craig framed him for robbery by using a lookalike to commit the crime and planting rare coins in Steve's apartment, leading to Steve's imprisonment. As tensions escalated in 1983, Craig's became a flashpoint when Betsy became pregnant; desperate to maintain control, he falsely claimed paternity of her child while concealing his . When Betsy sought divorce, Craig staged a fake paralysis following an accident, manipulating her sympathy to delay the proceedings and prolong the marriage until April 1984. This period also saw Craig embezzle funds from Diana McColl's company to finance a venture, marking his initial foray into corporate malfeasance in Oakdale, and he orchestrated an at The Refuge that caused Margo Hughes's . These schemes culminated in Craig's arrest and imprisonment for his crimes, solidifying his reputation as a calculating opportunist. Upon his release in the mid-1980s, Craig was recruited by Lucinda Walsh to locate her estranged daughter, Sierra Esteban, in the fictional country of Montega amid political upheaval. Posing as a , Craig found Sierra, who was in a loveless marriage to Tonio Reyes, and the two developed a romantic connection while evading danger; Sierra, disguised as a boy named Carlos, escaped with Craig's aid, leading to the birth of their son, Bryant, in 1986. The pair reconciled and married in May 1987, relocating temporarily to Montega for safety, but tragedy struck shortly after when Craig was presumed dead following a plane crash on May 25, 1987, leaving Sierra to raise Bryant alone in Oakdale. Craig's dramatic return on May 8, 1988, revealed he had survived the crash and gone into hiding, initially sparking a brief romance with Ellie Snyder, the younger sister of Iva Snyder, as he readjusted to life in Oakdale and pursued business opportunities at Montgomery & Associates. Heartbroken upon learning Sierra had believed him dead and moved on, Craig traveled to for a poignant reunion with her, where they recommitted to their family; the couple, along with Bryant, ultimately relocated together, closing out the decade with a focus on redemption through familial bonds rather than further corporate intrigue. This arc highlighted Craig's evolving persona from isolated schemer to devoted, if flawed, patriarch.

1990s and 2000s Arcs

In the 1990s, Craig Montgomery made brief returns to Oakdale, notably in 1990 when he aided Ellie Snyder by providing proof of her alibi in the murder investigation of Brock Lombard, helping to clear her name. During this period, he remarried Sierra Esteban in 1991 and welcomed their daughter, Lucy Montgomery, later that year, though their relationship deteriorated after Sierra discovered Craig had concealed her biological connection to Lucinda Walsh. By mid-decade, Craig became entangled in a cover-up surrounding the murder of Winston Lowe, assisting Carly Tenney—who had shot Lowe in self-defense—by helping her escape legal repercussions and flee Oakdale, which sparked a passionate romance between them. This affair intensified Craig's manipulative tendencies, as he schemed to win Carly's affections amid her divided loyalties. Entering the 2000s, Craig returned permanently to Oakdale in 2000, quickly marrying in 2001 primarily to access her wealth and resources at Brooke Communications, though the union ended amid suspicions of his involvement in an attempt on her life. His pursuit of Carly Tenney persisted, leading to further entanglements, but he soon shifted focus by marrying Rosanna Cabot in 2003; together, they illegally Cabot Sinclair, whom they intended to raise as their son, in a desperate bid to start a family, which unraveled when the adoption was exposed, resulting in the child's removal. Tragedy struck in October 2001 when Craig's son Bryant Montgomery died in a car crash following emotional turmoil over family betrayals. From 2006 to 2010, Craig's schemes escalated as he married Meg Snyder in 2007 to secure control of Worldwide Communications, only to lose the company to his nephew through corporate maneuvering. In retaliation, Craig rigged a targeting Paul in 2008, fleeing Oakdale to evade after the plot was uncovered. He also engaged in a fierce custody battle for his son , born to Jennifer Munson in 2006, using legal and underhanded tactics to claim paternity rights. In 2010, Craig was pressured over debts by Chicago trader Anthony Blackthorn (portrayed by Billy Warlock), who appeared briefly in a storyline involving financial threats. By in 2010, Craig reconciled with his family, particularly and Sierra, finding a measure of redemption amid ongoing conflicts. Throughout these decades, Craig's criminal activities mounted, including multiple kidnappings—such as arranging Lucy's abduction in 2004 and spiriting away Cabot Sinclair—arson linked to the 2010 Monte Carlo hotel fire, attempted murders like the plot, and several imprisonments for and . These high-stakes actions underscored his evolution into a more ruthless antagonist, often driven by business rivalries and personal vendettas.

Relationships and Family

Immediate Family and Background

Craig Montgomery was born in , , on November 7, 1956, to Bart Montgomery, a traveling salesman, and Lyla Crawford, a stay-at-home mother who later worked as a nurse and singer. His father maintained an openly strained relationship with Lyla and their children, particularly disliking the family's eldest daughter, and abandoned them when Craig was a teenager, resulting in divorce and exacerbating the household's financial instability. Lyla, who remarried Casey Peretti, single-handedly supported the family through these difficulties, fostering a close but challenging dynamic that instilled in Craig a sense of responsibility as the only son and middle child. As the middle sibling, Craig grew up alongside his older half-sister, Margo Montgomery (later Hughes), from Lyla's previous relationship, and his younger full sister, Cricket Montgomery (later Ross). He also had a younger maternal half-sister, Katie Peretti, born to Lyla and her second husband. Margo, who pursued a career as Oakdale's police chief, frequently clashed with Craig over his morally ambiguous business tactics and schemes, reflecting deep-seated family tensions rooted in their divergent paths and shared upbringing hardships. The Montgomery family's economic struggles profoundly influenced Craig's character, driving his relentless pursuit of wealth and success as a means to escape poverty and provide security, often leading him to prioritize financial gain over ethical considerations. Extended family ties included nephews Adam Munson and Casey Hughes, the latter being Margo's son, as well as professional connections to the Walsh family through Craig's early employment at 's enterprises, which intertwined business dealings with familial networks in Oakdale.

Marriages, Romances, and Children

Craig Montgomery's romantic life was marked by multiple marriages, intense affairs, and complex family dynamics that often intertwined with his ambitious schemes on . His first marriage was to Betsy Stewart in 1982, a union prompted by her desire to move past a previous relationship; however, it ended in by 1984 amid ongoing tensions and . Montgomery's most enduring marital relationship was with Sierra Esteban, whom he met while rescuing her on behalf of Lucinda Walsh; they married shortly after the birth of their son Bryant in the late 1980s, with the union featuring several reconciliations through the 1990s despite frequent separations driven by Montgomery's deceptions and business pursuits, including leveraging Esteban's family wealth for his ventures. In the early , he married in 2001 primarily to access her financial resources and B.R.O. Cosmetics, a short-lived partnership that dissolved amid accusations and an plot. Montgomery wed Rosanna Cabot twice in the —first around 2002 and again in 2005—relationships strained by scandals, including an illegal and his lingering obsession with Carly Tenney, ultimately ending in 2007 due to betrayal and legal troubles. His final marriage was to Meg Snyder from 2007 to 2009, a strategic alliance to secure control of Worldwide Communications, though it unraveled when Snyder's affections shifted elsewhere, leading to Montgomery's vengeful actions against her lover . Beyond marriages, Montgomery engaged in several notable romances that fueled his manipulative plots. Early on, he had a brief liaison with Diana McColl, but his fixation on Carly Tenney in the 1990s and 2000s became an obsessive pursuit, intertwining with business rivalries and even contributing to the collapse of his marriages to both Cabot and Ryan. He romanced Snyder in 1988 while separated from Esteban, proposing marriage before abandoning her upon Esteban's return. Affairs with and an extramarital encounter with Lydia Carras added layers of scandal, while a with Jennifer Munson in the 2000s resulted in for his family. Montgomery fathered several children, experiences that occasionally pierced his scheming facade with vulnerability. With , he had son Bryant Montgomery (deceased in a 2001 car accident) and daughter Lucy Montgomery; the loss of Bryant prompted rare moments of genuine grief, humanizing Montgomery amid his corporate intrigues. He and Cabot illegally adopted infant Cabot Sinclair in 2004, intending to build a family, but the arrangement collapsed when the adoption's illegality surfaced, revealing the child was not biologically theirs and forcing its return— a that exacerbated Cabot's insecurities and Montgomery's deceptions. Gabriel Caras was born from his affair with Carras, while son Johnny Montgomery resulted from his liaison with Munson; custody of Johnny was shared with , who raised the boy as his own, complicating Montgomery's paternal role and leading to custody battles tied to his revenge plots. These relationships and fatherhood often served as catalysts for Montgomery's schemes, such as exploiting Esteban's fortune or using Snyder's pregnancy to cement business alliances, yet they also elicited fleeting paternal protectiveness, like his desperate efforts to safeguard Lucy during kidnappings.

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