Small Talk (song)

"Small Talk"
"Small Talk"
Single by Katy Perry
A-side	"Never Really Over" (double A-side)
Released	August 9, 2019
Studio	MXM Studios (Los Angeles, CA); Secret Garden Studios (Montecito, CA);
Genre	Synth-pop
Length	2:42
Label	Capitol
Songwriter(s)	Katy Perry; Johan Carlsson; Charlie Puth; Jacob Kasher Hindlin;
Producer(s)	Carlsson; Puth;
Katy Perry singles chronology
Music video
	"Small Talk" on YouTube

"Small Talk" is a song by American singer Katy Perry. It was released as a standalone single by Capitol Records on August 9, 2019.^[3] It was announced in a social media post on August 6, 2019.^[4] Perry co-wrote the song with Jacob Kasher Hindlin and its producers Charlie Puth and Johan Carlsson of Carolina Liar.^[5]^[6]^[7] "Small Talk" was included as a bonus track on the Japanese and fan editions of Perry's sixth studio album, Smile.

Background

Charlie Puth talked about the song in an Instagram post in July 2019.^[8] On August 6, Perry posted several pictures to her social media accounts of lines from the song, with the first reading "Isn't it weird / That you've seen me naked / We had conversations about forever / Now it's about the weather okay".^[9] The song's music video was released on August 30, 2019.

On November 29, 2019, a Black Friday Record Store Day limited edition 12" orange vinyl was released, pairing the song with Perry's previous single "Never Really Over".^[10]

Music video

Perry and her pet dog Nugget attend a dog show where they win the top prize. She sees another competitor (played by model Charley Santos) and immediately falls for him. Perry's attention is shifted to the man and she ignores her dog. Eventually he moves in with Perry and brings his dog. Perry, the man and their two dogs are seen all together at the end.

Chart performance

"Small Talk" debuted and peaked at number 81 on the US Billboard Hot 100. In Canada, the song peaked at number 56, while reaching number 33 in Australia. On the UK Singles Chart, it peaked at number 43, while being more commercially successful in Scotland where it entered the top 20 and peaked at number 18.

Live performances

On August 22, 2019, Perry uploaded the first live performance of the song in a bathroom on her official Instagram account. On September 18, 2019, she also performed the song at The Ellen DeGeneres Show.

Track listing

Digital download and streaming

"Small Talk" — 2:42

Digital download and streaming (Lost Kings Remix)^[11]

"Small Talk" (Lost Kings Remix) — 2:52

Digital download and streaming (Sofi Tukker Remix)^[12]

"Small Talk" (Sofi Tukker Remix) — 3:12

Digital download and streaming (White Panda Remix)^[13]

"Small Talk" (White Panda Remix) — 3:12

12-inch vinyl^[10]

"Never Really Over" – 3:44
"Small Talk" – 2:41

Credits and personnel

Credits adapted from Tidal.^[14]

Katy Perry – vocals, songwriter
Charlie Puth – producer, songwriter, programmer
Johan Carlsson – producer, songwriter, programmer
Jacob Kasher Hindlin – songwriter
Peter Karlsson – vocal editor, vocal producer
Bill Zimmerman – engineer
Rachael Findlen – engineer
Sam Holland – engineer
Dave Kutch – mastering engineer
Phil Tan – mixer
Jeremy Lertola – assistant recording engineer

Charts

Chart performance for "Small Talk"
Chart (2019)	Peak position
Australia (ARIA)^[15]	33
Belgium (Ultratip Bubbling Under Flanders)^[16]	9
Belgium (Ultratip Bubbling Under Wallonia)^[17]	21
Canada (Canadian Hot 100)^[18]	56
China Airplay/FL (Billboard)^[19]	13
Czech Republic (Singles Digitál Top 100)^[20]	41
France (SNEP Sales Chart)^[21]	65
Ireland (IRMA)^[22]	36
Lithuania (AGATA)^[23]	20
Netherlands (Single Top 100)^[24]	86
Mexico (Billboard Mexican Airplay)^[25]	36
New Zealand Hot Singles (RMNZ)^[26]	1
Portugal (AFP)^[27]	93
Scotland (OCC)^[28]	18
Slovakia (Rádio Top 100)^[29]	64
Slovakia (Singles Digitál Top 100)^[30]	33
Sweden (Sverigetopplistan)^[31]	62
Switzerland (Schweizer Hitparade)^[32]	91
UK Singles (OCC)^[33]	43
US Billboard Hot 100^[34]	81
US Adult Pop Airplay (Billboard)^[35]	36
US Pop Airplay (Billboard)^[36]	38
Venezuela Anglo (Record Report)^[37]	23

Certifications and sales


Region	Certification	Certified units/sales
Australia (ARIA)^[38]	Gold	35,000^‡
Brazil (Pro-Música Brasil)^[39]	Platinum	40,000^‡
Norway (IFPI Norway)^[40]	Gold	30,000^‡
United Kingdom	—	10,906^[a]
^‡ Sales+streaming figures based on certification alone.

Release history

Release dates and formats for "Small Talk"
Region	Date	Format(s)	Version	Label	Ref.
Various	August 9, 2019	Digital download streaming	Original	Capitol	^[14]
Australia	August 9, 2019	Radio airplay			^[42]
United States	August 20, 2019	Contemporary hit radio			^[43]
United States	August 26, 2019	Adult contemporary radio hot adult contemporary radio modern adult contemporary radio			^[44]
Italy	September 13, 2019	Radio airplay		Universal	^[45]
Various	October 11, 2019	Digital download streaming	Lost Kings remix	Capitol	^[11]
			Sofi Tukker remix		^[12]
			White Panda remix		^[13]
Europe	November 29, 2019	12-inch vinyl	Original		^[46]
United States	November 29, 2019	12-inch vinyl	Original		^[46]

Notes

^ United Kingdom first-week sales figures.^[41]

References

^ ^a ^b Smile (booklet). Katy Perry. Capitol Records. 2020.{{cite AV media notes}}: CS1 maint: others in cite AV media (notes) (link)
^ Wass, Mike (August 9, 2019). "Katy Perry's "Small Talk" Is An Emotional Synth-Pop Delight". Idolator. Retrieved August 9, 2019.^{[dead link]}
^ "Katy Perry – "Small Talk" Pre-Save". umusic.digital. Archived from the original on November 28, 2019. Retrieved August 8, 2019.
^ @katyperry (August 6, 2019). "#SmallTalk" (Tweet). Retrieved August 7, 2019 – via Twitter.
^ @billboardbiz (August 7, 2019). "@katyperry intros new single, out tomorrow, snappy "Small Talk," co-written with @charlieputh at @capitolcongress2019" (Tweet). Retrieved August 8, 2019 – via Twitter.
^ Aniftos, Rania (August 6, 2019). "Katy Perry Teases Upcoming Release Titled 'Small Talk'". Billboard. Archived from the original on March 5, 2020. Retrieved August 8, 2019.
^ Smith, Lindsey (August 6, 2019). "Katy Perry Announces New Single 'Small Talk' Out This Friday". iHeartRadio. Archived from the original on December 12, 2019. Retrieved August 7, 2019.
^ "Katy Perry Announces New Song 'Small Talk'". BreatheHeavy. Archived from the original on December 14, 2019. Retrieved August 7, 2019.
^ Perrett, Connor (August 6, 2019). "Katy Perry Teases 'Small Talk' In New Instagram Post & Fans Think It's A New Song". Inquisitr. Archived from the original on August 7, 2019. Retrieved August 7, 2019.
^ ^a ^b "RSDBF '19 Special Release: Katy Perry – Never Really Over/Small Talk". Record Store Day. Archived from the original on March 4, 2020. Retrieved October 14, 2019.
^ ^a ^b Katy Perry (October 11, 2019). "Small Talk (Lost Kings Remix) - Single by Katy Perry on Apple Music". music.apple.com. Archived from the original on October 11, 2019. Retrieved April 2, 2020.
^ ^a ^b Katy Perry (October 11, 2019). "Small Talk (Sofi Tukker Remix) - Single by Katy Perry on Apple Music". music.apple.com. Archived from the original on October 11, 2019. Retrieved April 2, 2020.
^ ^a ^b Katy Perry (October 11, 2019). "Small Talk (White Panda Remix) - Single by Katy Perry on Apple Music". music.apple.com. Archived from the original on October 11, 2019. Retrieved April 2, 2020.
^ ^a ^b "Small Talk". Tidal. 9 August 2019. Archived from the original on August 9, 2019. Retrieved August 10, 2019.
^ "Katy Perry – Small Talk". ARIA Top 50 Singles. Retrieved August 17, 2019.
^ "Katy Perry – Small Talk" (in Dutch). Ultratip. Retrieved September 13, 2019.
^ "Katy Perry – Small Talk" (in French). Ultratip. Retrieved September 6, 2019.
^ "Katy Perry Chart History (Canadian Hot 100)". Billboard. Retrieved August 20, 2019.
^ "China Airplay Chart/Foreign Language - 18/08/2019". Billboard China (in Chinese). Archived from the original on August 23, 2019. Retrieved August 26, 2019.
^ "ČNS IFPI" (in Czech). Hitparáda – Digital Top 100 Oficiální. IFPI Czech Republic. Note: Select 33. týden 2019 in the date selector. Retrieved August 20, 2019.
^ "Katy Perry - Small Talk". PureMédias. Retrieved March 14, 2023.
^ "IRMA – Irish Charts". Irish Recorded Music Association. Archived from the original on August 22, 2017. Retrieved August 17, 2019.
^ "Savaitės klausomiausi (TOP 100)" (in Lithuanian). AGATA. August 16, 2019. Archived from the original on December 3, 2019. Retrieved December 2, 2019.
^ "Katy Perry – Small Talk" (in Dutch). Single Top 100. Retrieved August 16, 2019.
^ "Katy Perry Chart History (Mexico Airplay)". Billboard. Archived from the original on August 19, 2019. Retrieved August 20, 2019.
^ "NZ Hot Singles Chart". Recorded Music NZ. August 16, 2019. Archived from the original on 3 December 2024. Retrieved 31 March 2025.
^ "Katy Perry – Small Talk". AFP Top 100 Singles. Retrieved August 25, 2019.
^ "Official Scottish Singles Sales Chart Top 100". Official Charts Company. Retrieved August 17, 2019.
^ "ČNS IFPI" (in Slovak). Hitparáda – Radio Top 100 Oficiálna. IFPI Czech Republic. Note: Select 39. týden 2019 in the date selector. Retrieved October 1, 2019.
^ "ČNS IFPI" (in Slovak). Hitparáda – Singles Digital Top 100 Oficiálna. IFPI Czech Republic. Note: Select 33. týden 2019 in the date selector. Retrieved August 23, 2019.
^ "Katy Perry – Small Talk". Singles Top 100. Retrieved August 16, 2019.
^ "Katy Perry – Small Talk". Swiss Singles Chart. Retrieved August 19, 2019.
^ "Official Singles Chart Top 100". Official Charts Company. Retrieved August 17, 2019.
^ "Katy Perry Chart History (Hot 100)". Billboard. Retrieved August 20, 2019.
^ "Katy Perry Chart History (Adult Pop Songs)". Billboard. Retrieved September 17, 2019.
^ "Katy Perry Chart History (Pop Songs)". Billboard. Retrieved September 4, 2019.
^ "Top Anglo - Record Report" (in Spanish). Record Report. May 23, 2020. Archived from the original on May 24, 2020. Retrieved April 12, 2021.
^ "ARIA Charts – Accreditations – 2020 Singles" (PDF). Australian Recording Industry Association. Retrieved October 13, 2021.
^ "Brazilian single certifications – Katy Perry – Small Talk" (in Portuguese). Pro-Música Brasil. Retrieved 10 April 2024.
^ "Norwegian single certifications – Katy Perry – Small Talk" (in Norwegian). IFPI Norway. Retrieved November 19, 2021.
^ Jones, Alan (August 19, 2019). "Double trouble: Mendes and Cabello extend chart reign". Music Week. p. 35. ProQuest 2282421644. Retrieved August 4, 2025.
^ "Singles To Radio - The Music Network". The Music Network.
^ "Top 40/M Future Releases". All Access Music Group. Archived from the original on August 15, 2019. Retrieved August 16, 2019.
^ "Hot/Modern/AC Future Releases". All Access Music Group. Archived from the original on August 23, 2019. Retrieved August 22, 2019.
^ "KATY PERRY "Small Talk" | (Radio Date: 13/09/2019)". radiodate.it (in Italian). September 13, 2019.
^ RSDBF '19 Special Release: Katy Perry - Never Really Over/Small Talk, archived from the original on 2020-03-04, retrieved 2019-10-14

[42] United Kingdom first-week sales figures.^[41]

[booklet-1] Smile (booklet). Katy Perry. Capitol Records. 2020.{{cite AV media notes}}: CS1 maint: others in cite AV media (notes) (link)

[2] Wass, Mike (August 9, 2019). "Katy Perry's "Small Talk" Is An Emotional Synth-Pop Delight". Idolator. Retrieved August 9, 2019.^{[dead link]}

[3] "Katy Perry – "Small Talk" Pre-Save". umusic.digital. Archived from the original on November 28, 2019. Retrieved August 8, 2019.

[Tweet-4] @katyperry (August 6, 2019). "#SmallTalk" (Tweet). Retrieved August 7, 2019 – via Twitter.

[BBB-5] @billboardbiz (August 7, 2019). "@katyperry intros new single, out tomorrow, snappy "Small Talk," co-written with @charlieputh at @capitolcongress2019" (Tweet). Retrieved August 8, 2019 – via Twitter.

[6] Aniftos, Rania (August 6, 2019). "Katy Perry Teases Upcoming Release Titled 'Small Talk'". Billboard. Archived from the original on March 5, 2020. Retrieved August 8, 2019.

[7] Smith, Lindsey (August 6, 2019). "Katy Perry Announces New Single 'Small Talk' Out This Friday". iHeartRadio. Archived from the original on December 12, 2019. Retrieved August 7, 2019.

[8] "Katy Perry Announces New Song 'Small Talk'". BreatheHeavy. Archived from the original on December 14, 2019. Retrieved August 7, 2019.

[9] Perrett, Connor (August 6, 2019). "Katy Perry Teases 'Small Talk' In New Instagram Post & Fans Think It's A New Song". Inquisitr. Archived from the original on August 7, 2019. Retrieved August 7, 2019.

[Vinyl-10] "RSDBF '19 Special Release: Katy Perry – Never Really Over/Small Talk". Record Store Day. Archived from the original on March 4, 2020. Retrieved October 14, 2019.

[LKR-11] Katy Perry (October 11, 2019). "Small Talk (Lost Kings Remix) - Single by Katy Perry on Apple Music". music.apple.com. Archived from the original on October 11, 2019. Retrieved April 2, 2020.

[STR-12] Katy Perry (October 11, 2019). "Small Talk (Sofi Tukker Remix) - Single by Katy Perry on Apple Music". music.apple.com. Archived from the original on October 11, 2019. Retrieved April 2, 2020.

[WPR-13] Katy Perry (October 11, 2019). "Small Talk (White Panda Remix) - Single by Katy Perry on Apple Music". music.apple.com. Archived from the original on October 11, 2019. Retrieved April 2, 2020.

[Tidal-14] "Small Talk". Tidal. 9 August 2019. Archived from the original on August 9, 2019. Retrieved August 10, 2019.

[sc_Australia_Katy_Perry-15] "Katy Perry – Small Talk". ARIA Top 50 Singles. Retrieved August 17, 2019.

[sc_Flanders_Tip_Katy_Perry-16] "Katy Perry – Small Talk" (in Dutch). Ultratip. Retrieved September 13, 2019.

[sc_Wallonia_Tip_Katy_Perry-17] "Katy Perry – Small Talk" (in French). Ultratip. Retrieved September 6, 2019.

[sc_Canada_Katy_Perry-18] "Katy Perry Chart History (Canadian Hot 100)". Billboard. Retrieved August 20, 2019.

[19] "China Airplay Chart/Foreign Language - 18/08/2019". Billboard China (in Chinese). Archived from the original on August 23, 2019. Retrieved August 26, 2019.

[sc_Czechdigital_-20] "ČNS IFPI" (in Czech). Hitparáda – Digital Top 100 Oficiální. IFPI Czech Republic. Note: Select 33. týden 2019 in the date selector. Retrieved August 20, 2019.

[Fra-21] "Katy Perry - Small Talk". PureMédias. Retrieved March 14, 2023.

[22] "IRMA – Irish Charts". Irish Recorded Music Association. Archived from the original on August 22, 2017. Retrieved August 17, 2019.

[23] "Savaitės klausomiausi (TOP 100)" (in Lithuanian). AGATA. August 16, 2019. Archived from the original on December 3, 2019. Retrieved December 2, 2019.

[sc_Dutch100_Katy_Perry-24] "Katy Perry – Small Talk" (in Dutch). Single Top 100. Retrieved August 16, 2019.

[25] "Katy Perry Chart History (Mexico Airplay)". Billboard. Archived from the original on August 19, 2019. Retrieved August 20, 2019.

[26] "NZ Hot Singles Chart". Recorded Music NZ. August 16, 2019. Archived from the original on 3 December 2024. Retrieved 31 March 2025.

[sc_Portugal_Katy_Perry-27] "Katy Perry – Small Talk". AFP Top 100 Singles. Retrieved August 25, 2019.

[sc_Scotland_-28] "Official Scottish Singles Sales Chart Top 100". Official Charts Company. Retrieved August 17, 2019.

[sc_Slovakia2_-29] "ČNS IFPI" (in Slovak). Hitparáda – Radio Top 100 Oficiálna. IFPI Czech Republic. Note: Select 39. týden 2019 in the date selector. Retrieved October 1, 2019.

[sc_Slovakdigital2_-30] "ČNS IFPI" (in Slovak). Hitparáda – Singles Digital Top 100 Oficiálna. IFPI Czech Republic. Note: Select 33. týden 2019 in the date selector. Retrieved August 23, 2019.

[sc_Sweden_Katy_Perry-31] "Katy Perry – Small Talk". Singles Top 100. Retrieved August 16, 2019.

[sc_Switzerland_Katy_Perry-32] "Katy Perry – Small Talk". Swiss Singles Chart. Retrieved August 19, 2019.

[sc_UK_-33] "Official Singles Chart Top 100". Official Charts Company. Retrieved August 17, 2019.

[sc_Billboardhot100_Katy_Perry-34] "Katy Perry Chart History (Hot 100)". Billboard. Retrieved August 20, 2019.

[sc_Billboardadultpopsongs_Katy_Perry-35] "Katy Perry Chart History (Adult Pop Songs)". Billboard. Retrieved September 17, 2019.

[sc_Billboardpopsongs_Katy_Perry-36] "Katy Perry Chart History (Pop Songs)". Billboard. Retrieved September 4, 2019.

[37] "Top Anglo - Record Report" (in Spanish). Record Report. May 23, 2020. Archived from the original on May 24, 2020. Retrieved April 12, 2021.

[AustraliasingleCertRef-38] "ARIA Charts – Accreditations – 2020 Singles" (PDF). Australian Recording Industry Association. Retrieved October 13, 2021.

[BrazilKaty_PerrySmall_TalksingleCertRef-39] "Brazilian single certifications – Katy Perry – Small Talk" (in Portuguese). Pro-Música Brasil. Retrieved 10 April 2024.

[NorwayKaty_PerrySmall_TalksingleCertRef-40] "Norwegian single certifications – Katy Perry – Small Talk" (in Norwegian). IFPI Norway. Retrieved November 19, 2021.

[41] Jones, Alan (August 19, 2019). "Double trouble: Mendes and Cabello extend chart reign". Music Week. p. 35. ProQuest 2282421644. Retrieved August 4, 2025.

[43] "Singles To Radio - The Music Network". The Music Network.

[44] "Top 40/M Future Releases". All Access Music Group. Archived from the original on August 15, 2019. Retrieved August 16, 2019.

[45] "Hot/Modern/AC Future Releases". All Access Music Group. Archived from the original on August 23, 2019. Retrieved August 22, 2019.

[46] "KATY PERRY "Small Talk" | (Radio Date: 13/09/2019)". radiodate.it (in Italian). September 13, 2019.

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v t e Katy Perry
Discography Videography Awards and nominations Songs Live performances
Studio albums	Katy Hudson One of the Boys Teenage Dream The Complete Confection Prism Witness Smile 143
Extended plays	Ur So Gay MTV Unplugged
Singles	"I Kissed a Girl" "Hot n Cold" "Thinking of You" "Waking Up in Vegas" "California Gurls" "Teenage Dream" "Firework" "E.T." "Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.)" "The One That Got Away" "Part of Me" "Wide Awake" "Roar" "Unconditionally" "Dark Horse" "Birthday" "This Is How We Do" "Rise" "Chained to the Rhythm" "Bon Appétit" "Swish Swish" "Save as Draft" "Hey Hey Hey" "Cozy Little Christmas" "365" "Con Calma" "Never Really Over" "Small Talk" "Harleys in Hawaii" "Never Worn White" "Daisies" "Smile" "Not the End of the World" "Electric" "When I'm Gone" "Woman's World" "Lifetimes" "I'm His, He's Mine" "OK"
Featured singles	"Starstrukk" "If We Ever Meet Again" "Who You Love" "Feels"
Promotional singles	"Ur So Gay" "Not Like the Movies" "Circle the Drain" "Peacock" "Walking on Air" "Every Day Is a Holiday" "Waving Through a Window" "What Makes a Woman" "Resilient" "Cry About It Later" "All You Need is Love"
Other songs	"Hummingbird Heartbeat" "Dressin' Up" "By the Grace of God" "Daisy Bell" "Only Love"
Concerts and shows	Hello Katy Tour California Dreams Tour Prismatic World Tour Witness: The Tour Play The Lifetimes Tour
Films and specials	Katy Perry: Part of Me The Prismatic World Tour Live Super Bowl XLIX halftime show Katy Perry Live: Witness World Wide
Related articles	Unsub Records Katy Perry Collections Frank Perry (uncle) Russell Brand (ex-husband) Orlando Bloom (ex-fiancé) The Matrix Gray v. Perry Blue Origin NS-31
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