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John Seiter (born August 17, 1944)[1] is an American musician. He is best known for his work as a drummer for Spanky and Our Gang and The Turtles.

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Seiter first rose to prominence as a member of the pop group Spanky and Our Gang. He joined the band in 1967, shortly after they achieved their first charting hit, "Sunday Will Never Be the Same",[2] and stayed for three studio albums and a live concert recording. The band collapsed after the 1968 death of Malcolm Hale, and Seiter accepted a position as drummer for The Turtles, replacing John Barbata. The Turtles recorded one final studio album, Turtle Soup, then disbanded as well.[3] Seiter next joined Rosebud for their eponymous debut,[4] but shortly after the album's release the band collapsed in the wake of the divorce of members Judy Henske and Jerry Yester. Seiter subsequently remained active in the music scene, recording with such varied performers as Aztec Two-Step, Jane Getz, Tom Waits, and The Conception Corporation. His younger brother Jimmi Seiter is also a noted percussionist.

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John Seiter (born August 17, 1944) is an American musician best known as the for the 1960s pop-rock bands and . Born in , , Seiter moved to immediately after high school in 1965 to pursue a career in music. He initially performed as a with prominent folk artists, including , , and . In 1967, Seiter joined shortly after their hit "Sunday Will Never Be the Same," adopting the onstage persona of "The Chief" characterized by a large hat and distinctive style. With the band, he appeared on major television programs such as (three times) and . The group disbanded in 1968 following the tragic death of trombonist Malcolm Hale from at age 27. Seiter then joined in 1969, contributing to their recordings and tours for about 1.5 years. He has also recorded as a keyboardist and vocalist, including with the band Rosebud in 1971, and maintained a career as a studio musician thereafter. In later years, Seiter transitioned into videography, working for the NFL's , and as of 2021 pursues independent video projects while remaining a fan of the St. Louis Cardinals.

Early Life

Birth and Family

John Seiter was born on August 17, 1944, in , . Seiter grew up in North St. Louis County as the son of a father who favored music, particularly artists like and . This parental preference created a notable contrast in the household, as young Seiter developed his own affinity for R&B and sounds, including performers such as . He has a younger brother, Jimmi Seiter (born James Duke Seiter), who became a noted percussionist and producer, often collaborating with Seiter and other musicians in later years.

Musical Beginnings

John Seiter developed an early passion for music in , , where he was born and raised in North St. Louis County. His musical tastes were shaped by a strong affinity for R&B and sounds, particularly artists like , which contrasted with his father's preference for music and . This divergence highlighted Seiter's independent exploration of contemporary rhythms, influenced by the vibrant local scene. As a teenager, Seiter began playing drums, becoming self-taught through attentive listening and observation of live performances in the area. He drew significant inspiration from St. Louis drummer , frequently watching Kuban's shows at venues like the dance hall, which honed his skills and style as an "R&B guy" with a deep passion for grooves. During his high school years at Ritenour High School, Seiter further developed his drumming abilities, even organizing events such as booking Kuban for a church dance and charging 75 cents admission to fund it. Seiter graduated from Ritenour High School in 1965, marking the end of his formal education and the beginning of his commitment to music as a full-time pursuit. This formative period in solidified his technical foundation and stylistic preferences, setting the stage for his professional endeavors.

Career Beginnings

Move to Los Angeles

In 1965, shortly after graduating from Ritenour High School in , , John Seiter drove to with his drum set loaded on top of his car, determined to pursue a professional career in the thriving of the West Coast. Influenced by his early experiences with musicians like , Seiter viewed the relocation as a pivotal step from local performances to broader opportunities in a city buzzing with emerging rock and folk scenes. Upon arrival, Seiter encountered significant challenges in navigating the competitive and unfamiliar music landscape, where he initially joined a blues band in the while seeking steady gigs. Living modestly amid the hustle of the scene, he adapted to new styles, including folk influences introduced through connections like bassist Jim Fielder, all while hustling for performances to build his reputation.

Initial Collaborations

Upon arriving in Los Angeles in 1965 shortly after high school graduation, John Seiter joined a local blues band in the , where he gained practical experience through regular live performances that helped him adapt to the competitive West Coast music scene. This early gig marked his entry into professional drumming, building on his St. Louis roots influenced by local R&B acts like and the In-Men. Seiter's initial associations in the folk-rock circuit expanded through connections in the LA scene, including informal drumming sessions and small gigs with prominent artists such as in the mid-1960s, introduced via bassist Jim Fielder. He subsequently contributed drums to Tim Buckley's early performances in the mid-1960s, transitioning further into folk influences, and later joined Odetta's trio in early 1967 for a series of high-profile shows in New York, including multiple daily sets at the Apollo Theater. These collaborations exposed him to diverse styles, from Henske's folk to Buckley's introspective songwriting and Odetta's powerful protest-oriented performances. During this formative period from 1965 to 1967, Seiter honed his signature minimalist drumming approach, characterized by straight-faced delivery and minimal body movement—focusing primarily on precise arm and leg coordination to support ensemble dynamics without drawing attention. Rooted in his R&B background and appreciation, this restrained style emphasized reliability in live settings, allowing him to complement vocalists and bassists effectively in the intimate club environments of the era.

Major Bands

Spanky and Our Gang

John Seiter joined in 1967, shortly after the band's breakthrough hit "Sunday Will Never Be the Same" reached the charts, where he replaced the previous drummer to support their growing live performances. Recruited through a connection with 's manager after attending a showcase, Seiter had previously met vocalist Elaine "Spanky" McFarlane in and left a tour with Odetta to commit to the group. Seiter's drumming provided a solid foundation for the band's sunshine pop and folk-rock sound, contributing to three studio albums—Spanky and Our Gang (1967), Like to Get to Know You (1968), and Anything You Choose b'rthr (1969)—as well as the live album Spanky & Our Gang Live (recorded in 1967 and released in 1970). His style emphasized precise rhythms that complemented the ensemble's harmonious vocals and eclectic arrangements, appearing on key tracks like "Lazy Day" and supporting the group's satirical edge in songs addressing social themes. During this period, Seiter became a recognizable figure through high-profile television appearances, including three performances on The Ed Sullivan Show, spots on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson, Hollywood Palace (where Milton Berle famously removed his hat onstage), American Bandstand, and the John Davidson Special. He adopted the "Chief" persona, characterized by a large Western hat adorned with a feather, minimal body movement, and a stoic expression, which added visual flair to the band's whimsical stage presence and endeared them to college audiences during extensive tours. Seiter departed the band in late 1968 amid internal tensions, exacerbated by the sudden death of trombonist Malcolm Hale from in October, which effectively collapsed the original lineup and halted their momentum.

The Turtles

Following his departure from Spanky and Our Gang in late 1968, John Seiter joined in early 1969 as their drummer, replacing who departed later that year to work with . Seiter served as the primary drummer on (1969), the Turtles' fifth and final studio album, produced by of . This record marked a shift toward more experimental and introspective pop-rock, featuring layered arrangements, original songwriting without outside contributors, and varied sonic textures that highlighted the band's maturing sound. Seiter not only provided drumming throughout but also delivered lead vocals on the track "How You Loved Me," adding to the album's collaborative and ambitious feel. During Seiter's tenure from early 1969 to 1970, navigated growing internal conflicts, including creative disagreements and frustrations with their label White Whale Records, which pushed for commercial hits while the members sought artistic evolution. These tensions, compounded by interpersonal strains among core members like and , fueled the group's transition to bolder, less formulaic material on but ultimately led to their dissolution in early 1970, shortly after the album's release. Seiter's brief involvement thus captured the band's final creative phase before the breakup ended his time with them.

Rosebud

Rosebud was a short-lived supergroup formed in 1971, featuring vocalist , guitarist and vocalist , keyboardist and vocalist , bassist David Vaught, and drummer John Seiter. Seiter joined the group shortly after his tenure with , bringing his experience from to provide rhythmic support on drums, percussion, and bells, while also contributing vocals and harmonies on several tracks. The band's self-titled debut album, released later that year on (co-distributed by Frank Zappa's Straight imprint), showcased a eclectic blend of , , and psychedelic elements, with Henske and Yester co-writing six of the ten songs. Seiter's drumming established the rhythmic foundation across the record, including on standout tracks like "" and "Flying to Morning," while his vocal work added depth to the group's harmonious sound; he took lead vocals on at least one selection. The album received limited promotion from and achieved modest success; the track "" was covered in French as "Sauvez-Moi" by , which became a in in 1972. Despite the promise of its lineup, Rosebud disbanded immediately after the album's release, performing only two live shows at the in and a venue in San Juan Capistrano. The dissolution stemmed from creative tensions over shared lead vocals, which some members felt overshadowed Henske's strengths, compounded by the personal breakup of Henske and Yester's marriage and ' withdrawal of promotional support.

Session Work

Key Recordings

John Seiter's session work as a highlighted his adaptability across , and rock genres, with several standout contributions in the early . One of his most notable credits was on ' debut album Closing Time (1973), where he provided drums on multiple tracks, including "" and "," enhancing the record's intimate jazz-folk vibe with subtle, supportive rhythms; he also contributed backing vocals on select songs. Produced by , a former collaborator from Seiter's time in , the album marked Waits' emergence as a distinctive songwriter, and Seiter's percussion helped underpin its melancholic, barroom atmosphere. Seiter's versatility extended to folk-rock sessions, such as his drumming on Aztec Two-Step's self-titled debut (1972), where he played on tracks like "" and "The Perennial Dilemma," adding a steady, acoustic-driven pulse to the duo's harmonious storytelling style. He also drummed on Odetta's self-titled , contributing to its blend of folk traditions and contemporary arrangements on songs like "[Give Me Your Hand](/page/Give Me Your Hand)," supporting the folk icon's powerful vocal delivery with restrained, earthy beats. Seiter handled drums and percussion on George S. Clinton's The George Clinton Band Arrives (1974), contributing to tracks such as "Pot Sharing Tots." Beyond adult-oriented releases, Seiter participated in a children's recording with his drums on the 1972 adaptation of Sergei Prokofiev's , narrated by and produced by , where his percussion vividly illustrated the narrative's dramatic elements through dynamic, illustrative playing. This project showcased his ability to adapt to whimsical, educational contexts while maintaining rhythmic precision. Additionally, Seiter occasionally overlapped in sessions with his brother Jimmi Seiter, a percussionist who contributed to similar Los Angeles-based recordings.

Additional Contributions

Beyond his prominent drumming roles, Seiter contributed backing vocals to Tom Waits' debut album Closing Time (1973), appearing on the tracks "Ol' '55" and "Rosie." These vocal performances highlighted his supportive role in Waits' early blend of folk, jazz, and experimental elements, adding subtle harmonies to the album's intimate sound. Seiter also provided percussion on The Conception Corporation's Conceptionland and Other States of Mind (1972), a comedic spoken-word album featuring skits and songs that ventured into experimental territory. His versatility as a allowed Seiter to adapt across genres, from the folk-rock harmonies of Aztec Two-Step's self-titled debut (1972) to the soft pop-folk textures of Jane Getz' No Ordinary Child (1973), where he supported diverse ensembles without dominating the foreground. These lesser-known contributions reflected his range in rock, folk, and experimental sounds during a transitional era for American music.

Later Career

Video and Other Ventures

Following his extensive session work as a studio musician in the , John Seiter transitioned into , drawing on his technical expertise from music production to build a new career in multimedia. This shift marked a pivot away from full-time performance while maintaining some recording involvement. In the later decades of his career, Seiter served as the chief videographer for the , contributing to the team's video documentation during the 1980s and 1990s. His role involved capturing game footage and behind-the-scenes material, supporting the franchise's media needs. Seiter later pursued independent through his company, Senor Oso Productions, where he directed and produced various projects. Notable among these is his work as producer on the 2014 documentary From Street to Studio: New York City Edition, which explored artistic transitions in the urban creative scene. These ventures highlighted his ability to apply production skills across visual media.

Current Activities

As of 2025, John Seiter, born in 1944, is 81 years old and resides , where he maintains a low-profile lifestyle focused on personal creative pursuits. He remains one of the two surviving original members of , alongside vocalist Elaine "Spanky" McFarlane, following the deaths of key bandmates such as trombonist Malcolm Hale in 1968 and bassist in 1998. Seiter continues to engage in independent video projects, building on his earlier experience in sports , including work with the NFL's . An avid fan of the St. Louis Cardinals—his hometown team—he follows the club closely as a lifelong interest. These endeavors reflect his shift from full-time performance to more solitary artistic and hobbyist activities in recent years. In occasional interviews, Seiter has reflected on the folk-rock era, recalling the vibrant energy of Spanky and Our Gang's rise, their frequent television appearances like three slots on , and the profound impact of Hale's sudden death, which he described as a moment that "killed us" and marked the band's effective end. These reminiscences underscore his appreciation for the movement's cultural footprint while emphasizing a preference for privacy in his later years.

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