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Sara Champion (nee Hermon) (11 November 1946 – 14 May 2000) was a British archaeologist with an interest in the European Iron Age and the role and visibility of women working in archaeology.[1] She was editor of PAST, the newsletter of The Prehistoric Society from 1997 until her death in 2000. The Prehistoric Society hosts an annual Sara Champion Memorial Lecture.

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Early life and education

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Champion was born Sara Hermon, the second of four children. The family lived in Kenya and Tanzania (Tanganyika at the time) for six years of her childhood. Champion later attended Benenden School. After Benenden, Champion attended the University of Edinburgh, where she studied for her first degree and a master's degree in archaeology under Stuart Piggott and Charles Thomas.[2] In 1968 Champion moved to St Hugh's College, Oxford, where she studied for a D.Phil. under the supervision of Christopher Hawkes concentrating on the Early European Iron Age.[3]

Academic and Archaeological work

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Avenue Campus at the University of Southampton, where the Department of Archaeology is located.

Sara Champion spent time at the University of Galway in Ireland, before moving to the University of Southampton in 1972,[2] where she undertook a two-year fellowship in archaeology. She carried out excavations at sites like Dragonby, and in Hampshire an important Iron Age site near Andover. Sara was then made a Hartley Fellow in the Department of Archaeology, later becoming a Research Fellow in that department. She also lectured archaeology at the University of Southampton, as well as Adult and Continuing Education courses.[2][3] In addition to research and teaching, Sara undertook other roles being a member of the National Trust Archaeology Panel, a chief examiner of the NEAB Archaeology A-level Board, and a field monument warden in West Hampshire and Dorset for English Heritage, overseeing the upkeep and preservation of scheduled monuments.[2] Champion understood the importance of media, electronic publications and bibliographical searches very early, as well as the overall potential of the internet for archaeology and she lectured and wrote articles on the application of internet resources in the teaching of archaeology,[4] and electronic archaeology.[5] She also spoke at several events on this topic including various IFA conferences.[2] Another area of research and interest was role the visibility of women in archaeology.[1]

Sara Champion was a published author with publications on a range of topics from the Iron Age, to women in archaeology and Irish folklore.[2] She was the editor for the Prehistoric Society's newsletter PAST.

Six years after Champion's death a seminar room in the Crawford Building, the new building for the archaeology department at the University of Southampton, was named in her honour.[6]

Personal life

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Champion met Timothy Champion (future President of the Royal Archaeological Institute and The Prehistoric Society)[7] while studying at Oxford and they were married in 1970 at St Paul's Church in Knightsbridge. In 1972 the Champions moved to Southampton, where their two sons, Edward and William (the drummer of Coldplay), were born, in the mid-1970s, and 1978 respectively.[3]

Photo of Will Champion behind a drumkit on a live gig.

Champion's interests outside archaeology included music (she regularly djed at departmental and archaeological social gatherings) and she was a long-term member of the Southampton Philharmonic Choir.

Champion died of cancer in May 2000. The band Coldplay, of which her son Will is a member, dedicated their debut album Parachutes to her on its release in July 2000.[8]

Selected publications

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  • 1970 "The Hillforts of the Cotteswold Scarp, with Special Reference to Recent Excavations", Proceedings of the Cotteswold Naturalists' Field Club 36, 18-23
  • 1971 "Excavations at Leckhampton Hill; 1969–70 Interim Report", Transactions of the Bristol & Gloucestershire Archaeological Society 90, 5-21
  • 1973 Andover – The Archaeological Implications of Development Andover and District Excavation Committee
  • 1976 "Leckhampton Hill, Gloucestershire – 1925 and 1970", in Hillforts: Later Prehistoric Earthworks in Britain and Ireland, ed. D. W. Harding, 177-191
  • 1980 A Dictionary of Terms and Techniques in Archaeology. Oxford: Phaidon Press Ltd
  • 1980 "Dendrochronology", Nature 284, 663–664
  • 1995 "Archaeology and the internet", Field Archaeologist 24, 18–19
  • 1997 "Special Review Section. Electronic Archaeology", Antiquity 71, co-authored with Christopher Chippindale
  • 1998 "Women in British Archaeology. Visible and Invisible," in Excavating Women. A History of Women in European Archaeology, Andreu, M. Diaz and Sørensen, M.-L.S. (eds), London, 175–197.

Sara Champion Memorial Lectures

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The Prehistoric Society's annual Sara Champion Memorial Lectures are held every October at the Society of Antiquaries of London lecture theatre in Burlington House, Piccadilly, London. The 10th annual lecture, due to be held in October 2010, was deferred and instead a debate was held to celebrate the 75th anniversary of the Prehistoric Society. The Sara Champion Debate had the topic "This House believes that the study of the Stone Ages has contributed more to our knowledge of the human condition than study of the Metal Ages" and was led by Clive Gamble and Tim Champion.[9]

The 2020–2021 lecture numbering system seems to have missed one out: the 20th Sara Champion Memorial Lecture.

Lecture Date Title Lecturer Reference
1st Sara Champion Memorial Lecture 24 October 2001 "A new cart/chariot burial from Wetwang, East Yorkshire" J D Hill [10]
2nd Sara Champion Memorial Lecture 30 October 2002 "The development of Bronze Age society in north Munster" Carleton Jones [11][12]
3rd Sara Champion Memorial Lecture 15 October 2003 "Social change in later prehistory: evidence from the northern roundhouse" Rachel Pope [13]
4th Sara Champion Memorial Lecture 27 October 2004 "The Irish Sea connection: exploring the origins of monumentality in western Britain" Vicki Cummings [14]
5th Sara Champion Memorial Lecture 26 October 2005 "Seeing red: art, artefacts and colour in the Iron Age of Britain and Ireland" Melanie Giles [15]
6th Sara Champion Memorial Lecture October 2006
7th Sara Champion Memorial Lecture 24 October 2007 "A crystal world from weeping stone: considering the relationships between Neolithic cave art and monument construction on Mendip" Jodie Lewis [16]
8th Sara Champion Memorial Lecture October 2008
9th Sara Champion Memorial Lecture October 2009
10th Sara Champion Memorial Lecture 19 October 2011 "Creative destruction: middens at the end of the Bronze Age" Kate Waddington [17]
11th Sara Champion Memorial Lecture 17 October 2012 "Tangled histories: British prehistorians, research practice and disciplinary change, 1975–2010" Anwen Cooper [18]
12th Sara Champion Memorial Lecture 16 October 2013 "Making pots matter: social practice and early first millennium BC ceramics in East Anglia" Matt Brudenell [19]
13th Sara Champion Memorial Lecture 22 October 2014 "'The personality of Britain' reconsidered: evaluating the relationship between the social and physical geographies of Bronze Age Britain (c. 2500–800 cal. BC)" Neil Wilkin [20]
14th Sara Champion Memorial Lecture 28 October 2015 "The evolution of religious branding in later prehistoric Europe: the case of Urnfield and Hallstatt bird imagery" Sebastian Becker [21][22]
15th Sara Champion Memorial Lecture 26 October 2016 "Antlerworking practices of the British Mesolithic: materials, identities and technologies within the landscape" Ben Elliott [23]
16th Sara Champion Memorial Lecture 25 October 2017 "Making and breaking the British Iron Age: a holistic approach to craft and material culture" Julia Farley [24]
17th Sara Champion Memorial Lecture 31 October 2018 "Though they but little... The Bronze Age funerary cups of Britain" Claire Copper [25]
18th Sara Champion Memorial Lecture 30 October 2019 "Fragments of the Bronze Age. Destruction, deposition and personhood" Matthew G. Knight [26]
19th Sara Champion Memorial Lecture 21 October 2020 "Becoming metallic: the emergence of metals in Britain and Ireland" Rachel Crellin [27]
20th Sara Champion Memorial Lecture
21st Sara Champion Memorial Lecture 20 October 2021 "Genetic change and relatedness in Chalcolithic and Early Bronze Age Britain" Tom Booth [28]
22nd Sara Champion Memorial Lecture 19 October 2022 "'I see the hands of the generations' - perceiving the past through later prehistoric artefacts" Sophia Adams [29]
23rd Sara Champion Memorial Lecture 16 October 2024 Into the woods: new methods for studying Palaeolithic organic technologies Annemieke Mills [30]

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Sara Champion (1946–2000) was a British archaeologist renowned for her expertise in the European and her advocacy for the visibility of women in the field.

Academic Career

Champion served as a lecturer in the Department of at the from 1972 until her death in 2000, where she led numerous excavations and was known for her dedication to teaching and research organization. Colleagues described her as an "extremely popular" and "fine teacher" who often worked late into the night to coordinate projects. Her scholarly contributions included the 1980 publication A Dictionary of Terms and Techniques in , a comprehensive that provided definitions and illustrations for key concepts in the discipline. She also contributed to discussions on in archaeology, notably through her chapter "Women in British Archaeology: Visible and Invisible" in the 1998 edited volume Excavating Women: A History of Women in European Archaeology. Additionally, Champion authored letters and articles, such as a 1980 book review in critiquing flawed methods in the search for ancient astronomies.

Legacy and Personal Life

Following her death from cancer on 14 May 2000 at age 54, the honored Champion by renaming a in her memory and unveiling a commemorative plaque. The Prehistoric Society established the annual Sara Champion Memorial Lecture in her honor, with the 24th installment held in October 2025, recognizing her impact on prehistoric studies. Personally, Champion was married to archaeologist Timothy Champion and was the mother of musician , drummer for the band ; the group's debut album Parachutes (2000) was dedicated to her memory.

Early Life and Education

Childhood and Family Background

Sara Champion was born Sara Hermon on 11 November 1946 in the United Kingdom, as the second of four children in her family. This formative period laid the groundwork for her later pursuits in , leading to her university studies in the field.

Academic Training

Sara Champion earned her undergraduate and master's degrees in from the in the late . Her training at emphasized the study of early European societies, laying the foundation for her lifelong interest in prehistoric . She held a , as indicated by her title "Dr." in contemporary accounts.

Professional Career

Academic Positions and Teaching

Following her doctoral research at the , Sara Champion joined the Department of Archaeology at the in 1972, where she served as a until her death in 2000, maintaining an association with the department for nearly 30 years. She was appointed Hartley Fellow in the department, a role reflected in her scholarly correspondence and contributions during the late 1970s and 1980s. Champion's teaching centered on prehistoric and the European , areas where she demonstrated exceptional dedication and energy, often extending her efforts beyond regular hours to support student learning. In addition to her lectures, she organized research projects for students, providing hands-on guidance in archaeological methods and analysis while upholding rigorous academic and intellectual standards in her .

Fieldwork and Excavations

Sara Champion's fieldwork contributions centered on sites in Britain and , where she applied interdisciplinary methods to uncover settlement patterns and cultural practices. During her time as a research assistant and later as Hartley Fellow at the , she participated in excavations in , focusing on prehistoric settlements. Champion's tenure as Visiting Senior Lecturer at University College Galway (now ) facilitated collaborations in Irish archaeology, where she co-researched prehistoric monuments with Gabriel Cooney, integrating archaeological data with local . Throughout her fieldwork, advocated for inclusive practices, ensuring women's participation in physically demanding digs while advancing techniques that merged scientific data with cultural narratives. Her site-specific research not only documented key findings but also influenced broader interpretations of European Iron Age transitions.

Institutional Contributions and Innovations

Champion played a pivotal role in pioneering the use of the for archaeological research and dissemination during the , when digital tools were nascent in the discipline. In 1995, she compiled the "Guide to Internet Resources for Archaeologists" for the British Archaeology Yearbook, offering one of the earliest comprehensive directories to help scholars access online databases, discussion lists, and early web-based heritage materials. This work facilitated broader and resource sharing among European archaeologists, as evidenced by its integration into projects like the European Archaeological Heritage Web initiative. Building on this, her 1997 article "Archaeology on the : a user's field-guide," published in Antiquity, provided practical tutorials on navigating web browsers, searching academic sites, and evaluating digital sources, emphasizing the web's potential to democratize access to archaeological . As a in the Department of at the for nearly three decades starting in 1972, Champion contributed to modernizing archaeological education by integrating interdisciplinary perspectives into teaching. Her courses emphasized connections between Iron Age studies and broader themes such as , drawing from her fieldwork experiences to illustrate how social contexts shape archaeological interpretation. This approach encouraged students to adopt holistic methods, combining analysis with historical and cultural narratives, and she was renowned for her rigorous standards and supportive mentorship in fostering innovative thinking. Champion was a vocal for increasing the visibility of women in , participating in professional panels and committees to address gender inequities. Through her 1998 chapter "Women in British : Visible and Invisible" in Excavating Women: A of Women in European , she documented the overlooked contributions of female scholars from the antiquarian era onward, arguing for policy changes to promote equity in academic and fieldwork roles. Her efforts influenced discussions within British archaeological institutions, highlighting systemic barriers and advocating for inclusive practices that enhanced women's participation in leadership and research. In professional bodies, Champion's involvement with The Prehistoric Society extended beyond her role as editor of its newsletter PAST from 1997 to 2000; she was an active member for many years, contributing to event organization, , and initiatives that strengthened the society's interdisciplinary focus on prehistoric studies. Her dedication helped modernize the society's communications and community engagement, leaving a lasting impact honored by the annual Sara Champion Memorial Lecture established in her memory.

Scholarly Output

Key Publications

Sara Champion's most notable solo-authored work is her 1980 book, A Dictionary of Terms and Techniques in , published by Facts on File. This 144-page reference provides comprehensive definitions and explanations of over 500 archaeological concepts, methods, and tools, ranging from basic excavation techniques to advanced analytical processes like and seriation. It served as an accessible introductory tool for students and practitioners, emphasizing practical applications in field and laboratory settings, and remains cited for its clear illustrations and cross-references that bridge theoretical and hands-on . In the same year, Champion contributed a seminal article titled "Dendrochronology" to Nature, highlighting advancements in tree-ring dating for prehistoric chronology. The piece discusses how European dendrochronological sequences, particularly from Alpine and British sites, extended reliable dating into the late and early , with examples including timber structures from Swiss lake villages dated to around 800 BCE and parallels in northern British hillforts. This work underscored the method's potential for precise phasing of wooden artifacts and settlements, influencing subsequent research on regional chronologies by providing quantitative evidence for cultural transitions without relying on relative pottery sequences. Champion's chapter "Jewellery and Adornment" in The Celtic World (1995, edited by Miranda Green) examines personal ornaments in first-millennium BCE central and western European societies. Focusing on materials like , , and bronze fibulae from sites across Britain and the , it analyzes how such items reflected and exchange networks, with key examples from and La Tène contexts illustrating stylistic variations in torcs and bracelets. The contribution highlights the interpretive challenges of treating these as art versus functional symbols, impacting studies of identity by integrating European comparative data. Her co-authored chapter "Naming the Places, Naming the Stones" in Archaeology and Folklore (1999, edited by Gazin-Schwartz and Cornelius Holtorf) explores the interplay between Irish prehistoric monuments and oral traditions. Drawing on from sites like cairns and , it integrates mythic narratives of giants and gods with material evidence of passage tombs, arguing that such stories preserve cultural memories of ritual landscapes. This piece advanced interdisciplinary approaches by demonstrating how aids in interpreting ambiguous archaeological features, such as alignment orientations tied to solstice myths, and has been referenced in ethnoarchaeological analyses of Celtic heritage.

Editorial and Collaborative Works

Sara Champion contributed significantly to collaborative projects that advanced discussions on in and the integration of digital tools in the discipline. In the edited volume Excavating Women: A History of Women in European (1998), Champion authored the chapter "Women in British : Visible and Invisible," which examined the historical participation of women in British from antiquarian beginnings through institutional developments, emphasizing both prominent figures and overlooked contributions. The book, edited by Margarita Díaz-Andreu and Marie Louise Sørensen, provided a comprehensive European perspective on roles in the field, with Champion's chapter highlighting how women shaped county archaeological societies and professional networks. Champion co-authored "Electronic Archaeology" with Christopher Chippindale in Antiquity (volume 71, 1997), a piece that surveyed the emerging role of in archaeological practice, including databases, communication, and . This collaboration, part of a special review section, underscored the transformative potential of digital technologies for accessing and disseminating archaeological knowledge while addressing challenges like . Her work on digital resources included co-founding the (ARGE) in January 1995 with Martijn van Leusen, an initiative designed to establish a centralized European Archaeological Heritage Web for sharing resources among researchers. This collaborative effort marked an early step in building online infrastructure for European archaeology, facilitating broader access to heritage data. Champion also organized and led practical workshops on internet applications in archaeology, such as the hands-on session "Archaeology on the Internet" at the World Archaeological Congress 4 in Vancouver (1999), where participants explored tools for research and education in a tutored format. These efforts promoted collaborative adoption of digital methods, influencing how archaeologists engaged with online platforms for fieldwork and analysis.

Personal Life and Legacy

Marriage, Family, and Interests

Sara Champion married fellow archaeologist Timothy Champion, with whom she shared a passion for the discipline. The couple relocated to in 1972, where both held academic positions at the . They had two sons born in during the 1970s; their younger son, William "Will" Champion, was born on 31 July 1978. Will later rose to prominence as the drummer and backing vocalist for the rock band , whose debut album Parachutes (2000) was dedicated to his mother in recognition of her influence and support. Champion balanced her intensive professional commitments with family life, often integrating archaeological topics into home conversations, which enriched the intellectual environment for her children. Her personal interests included music, encompassing both classical and contemporary styles; she actively participated by singing with the Philharmonic Choir. The family's shared engagement with music was evident in Will's musical career, though Sara's own enjoyment of provided a to her scholarly pursuits.

Death and Memorial Tributes

Sara Champion was diagnosed with cancer and died on 14 May 2000 in at the age of 53, leaving behind her husband, archaeologist Timothy Champion, and their two sons, the younger of whom was . Her illness and death deeply affected her family, occurring just as 's band, , prepared to release their debut album, with her funeral coinciding with the filming of the music video for "Yellow." In a personal tribute, dedicated their 2000 album Parachutes to Sara Champion, acknowledging her influence and the timing of her passing two months before its July release. This gesture connected to her lifelong musical interests, shared with her husband through their performances as DJs under the name Champion Tunes at local pubs. Six years after her death, the named a room in the Department's Crawford Building in her honor, celebrating her nearly three decades as a there. attended the 2006 opening ceremony, where he gave a speech describing the naming as a fitting recognition of his mother's passion for art, archaeology, technology, and human connections. The Prehistoric Society offered an immediate tribute to Champion at their June 2000 meeting, observing a period of silence in her memory. Academic peers also honored her through an appreciation in the society's newsletter PAST, penned by colleague Linda Hurcombe, which emphasized Champion's enduring mentorship legacy in prehistoric archaeology and her support for emerging scholars.

Sara Champion Memorial Lectures

The Sara Champion Memorial Lectures were established by The Prehistoric Society in 2001 to honor Sara Champion's contributions to prehistoric archaeology, particularly her work on the and her editorial role with the society's journal Proceedings of the Prehistoric Society. Held annually, typically in during the society's awards evening, the lectures take place at the or virtually in recent years, drawing prehistorians to discuss innovative research in prehistoric studies. The inaugural lecture, delivered on 24 October 2001, was titled "A new cart/chariot burial from " by Colin Haselgrove of the , exploring a significant chariot burial discovery in East and its implications for understanding elite burials and mobility in later . Subsequent lectures have maintained a focus on prehistoric themes, including , practices, and technological innovations, often highlighting underrepresented aspects such as the roles of women in archaeological interpretation. For instance, the 18th lecture in 2019, given by Helen Chittock of AOC Archaeology on 30 October, examined the intentional destruction and deposition of metalwork in southwest , incorporating discussions of and their re-dating, which challenged traditional chronologies and emphasized social personhood in artifact treatment. The 19th lecture in 2020, delivered virtually by Rachel Crellin of the on 21 October, addressed "Becoming Metallic: The Emergence of Metals in Britain and ," tracing the biographical trajectories of early metal objects and their cultural integration across prehistoric periods. The series has evolved to include hybrid online and in-person formats since , broadening accessibility while sustaining emphasis on high-impact prehistoric research; records for some years, such as 2006 and 2008, show limited documentation, but the lectures consistently promote conceptual advances over exhaustive data, with themes occasionally intersecting perspectives in . The 24th lecture, held on 21 October 2025, was delivered by Dr. Barbara Oosterwijk of the and titled "Traces of Touch: From Palaeolithic Embodied Markings to Amazonian Decorated Hands."

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