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The Both is an American indie rock musical duo consisting of Aimee Mann and Ted Leo. They began collaborating in 2013 and released a self-titled album in April 2014.

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Origins

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Ghost logo of the Both, used on T-shirts and album cover

The songwriting collaboration between Aimee Mann and Ted Leo originated during a joint concert tour in 2012, and specifically with an appearance together at the Pabst Theater in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, on November 11, 2012, which was later described in the lyrics of their song "Milwaukee."[1] At that time, Leo was the opening act for Mann, and the two sometimes collaborated on stage.[2] They began writing songs together in December 2012.[3]

Mann and Leo were initially brought to each other's attention in 2001, when Scott Miller, leader of the bands Game Theory and The Loud Family, gave Mann one of Leo's albums.[4][5] Miller, who died in April 2013, was later described as having a "special, spiritual, guru-like presence" in the heart of the Both's debut album.[5]

On March 8, 2013, the duo performed their first show together as #BOTH, formatting the band's name as a hashtag.[6][7]

Personnel and performances

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Mann and Leo frequently trade off lead vocal duties within their songs, each taking a verse before joining in harmonies that "expertly interw[ea]ve their voices."[8]

Mann performs on bass and acoustic guitar, and Leo performs on electric guitar. In addition, during concerts Leo occasionally plays a modeling keyboard to replicate a few overdubs of strings and synthesized flute from the studio recordings that, according to Leo, "have become important parts of the songs" to him.[9]

The Both have also become known for their extended on-stage "jokey banter",[10] with "quips and asides" described as "nearly as great as the songs they fed into."[11] Their concerts have been called "one part super-group show, and one part close friends... fluidly (and hilariously) play[ing] off of one another."[12]

The Both typically perform with a guest drummer who is introduced and acknowledged, but who has no singing or speaking role onstage. Session drummer Scott Seiver toured with the Both in 2013 and played on the band's debut album. For the band's 2014 tour, Matt Mayhall replaced Seiver on drums, with Mann commenting in an interview, "We're a power trio."[13]

Releases

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In 2014, Mann and Leo released The Both, their self-titled debut album. It featured songs written by both members, as well as the Thin Lizzy song "Honesty Is No Excuse." The album was produced by Paul Bryan. The Both debuted on the Billboard 200 at #59,[14] and on the Billboard Independent Albums chart at #12.[15] Music videos by director Daniel Ralston were released for the songs "Milwaukee" and "Volunteers of America."[16]

In 2014 and 2015, prior to tours together billed as "The Aimee Mann and Ted Leo Christmas Show,"[17] The Both released Christmas-themed songs as singles. "Nothing Left to Do (Let’s Make This Christmas Blue)," released in November 2014, was described by Stereogum as "a sweet song with some dark lyrics lamenting the feeling of listlessness that can come along with the holiday season."[18] "You're a Gift," released in December 2015, conveyed a wistful theme of holiday anxiety and "longing for someone to hunker down with and enjoy the holiday spirit with."[19]

Other collaborations

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In 2019, Mann and Leo began a podcast through the Maximum Fun network, The Art of Process, in which they interview creative personalities on the process of turning ideas into art.[20] Later that year, the two appeared on the animated television film Steven Universe: The Movie, with Mann reprising her role as Opal from the Steven Universe television series; they perform the song "Independent Together" with Pearl's voice actress Deedee Magno Hall.[21][22]

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The Both is an American indie rock duo formed by acclaimed singer-songwriters and , who began collaborating after a pivotal joint performance in , , on November 11, 2012. The partnership evolved from mutual admiration—sparked in part by a recommendation from the late Scott Miller of —into shared songwriting sessions, joint tours, and a raw, stripped-down power trio sound featuring guest drummer Scott Seiver. Their self-titled debut album, released on April 15, 2014, via Mann's SuperEgo Records, blends Mann's meticulous folk-rock lyricism with Leo's punk-infused melodic energy, including standout tracks like the cover "Honesty Is No Excuse" and the tribute "Bedtime Stories" to Miller. Aimee Mann, known for her work with 'Til Tuesday and solo albums like Whatever (1995), brings a focus on introspective, narrative-driven songs, while Ted Leo, frontman of Ted Leo and the Pharmacists since 1999, contributes a dynamic, guitar-driven intensity rooted in his punk and post-hardcore background. The duo's formation marked a departure from their individual trajectories, emphasizing playful collaboration and pushing each other beyond comfort zones, as evidenced by their live performances, including Tiny Desk Concerts and KEXP sessions that highlighted their chemistry. The album received praise from outlets like the , SPIN, and Boston Globe for its humor, melody, and emotional depth, though some critics noted its occasionally plodding tempos. Since their debut, The Both has toured extensively, including U.S. dates and festival appearances, but has not released a follow-up album as of 2025, with reflections on their 10-year milestone underscoring the project's enduring influence on collaborations. The duo continues to perform annual shows.

Background

Aimee Mann

Aimee Mann co-founded the new wave band 'Til Tuesday in in 1982, where she served as bassist and lead vocalist, helping the group gain prominence in the music scene. After the band's dissolution in 1989, Mann transitioned to a solo career, releasing her debut album Whatever in 1993, which showcased her shift toward more introspective songwriting. This album marked the beginning of her independent path following challenging experiences with major labels. In 1999, Mann earned an Academy Award nomination for Best Original Song for "Save Me," which she wrote for the soundtrack of Paul Thomas Anderson's film Magnolia, significantly broadening her audience and highlighting her ability to blend emotional depth with cinematic storytelling. That same year, frustrated with industry constraints, she co-founded SuperEgo Records with her longtime manager Michael Hausman, allowing greater creative control over her releases. Through the label, Mann issued key albums such as Bachelor No. 2 in 2000, a critically acclaimed work featuring intricate arrangements and poignant narratives; @#%&! Smilers in 2008, which further solidified her reputation with its blend of wit and melancholy; and Charmer in 2012, noted for its pop influences and sharp lyrics. Mann's musical style is rooted in infused with folk and pop elements, characterized by literate, introspective lyrics that often explore themes of relationships, emotional vulnerability, and human conflict, delivered through memorable melodic hooks and a tone. Her approach emphasizes conceptual over bombast, drawing comparisons to songwriters who prioritize lyrical precision and subtle .

Ted Leo

Ted Leo emerged in the late 1980s as a key figure in the New York hardcore punk scene, performing with bands such as Citizen's Arrest and Animal Crackers, which emphasized raw energy and social critique. By the 1990s, he shifted toward power-pop influences, co-founding Chisel, a group known for its mod-punk sound drawing from artists like Paul Weller. Following Chisel's dissolution in 1997, Leo established Ted Leo and the Pharmacists in 1999, initially as a solo outlet that evolved into a full band, allowing him to explore broader songwriting ambitions. The ensemble's early releases, including the 2001 debut The Tyranny of Distance on Lookout! Records and the 2003 follow-up Hearts of Oak on Lookout!, marked pivotal milestones, with the latter earning widespread recognition for its ambitious fusion of genres. Leo's musical approach centers on energetic infused with punk, , and folk elements, delivering rapid-fire, articulate lyrics over guitar-driven arrangements that balance melody and intensity. His compositions often incorporate political , addressing themes like and inequality with a blend of urgency, humor, and intellectual depth, as evident in tracks from Living with the Living (2007). This style reflects his roots in DIY punk ethics while expanding into more experimental territory, prioritizing lyrical precision and rhythmic propulsion. Throughout the 2000s, garnered critical acclaim for their electrifying live performances, which showcased Leo's charismatic stage presence and the band's tight musicianship, often described as transformative for audiences. Albums like Shake the Sheets (2004) further solidified their reputation, blending high-octane rock with folk-inflected storytelling and receiving praise from outlets like for innovative indie contributions, followed by The Brutalist Bricks in 2009. Pre-2013, Leo also pursued select collaborations with fellow indie artists, enhancing his influence in underground circuits while maintaining focus on his core band's output.

Formation

Meeting and early collaboration

Aimee Mann and Ted Leo, longtime admirers of each other's work, were initially connected through mutual friend Scott Miller of Game Theory and the Loud Family, who recommended Leo's music to Mann around 2000. Their relationship evolved from occasional encounters, including a first in-person meeting at a WFMU radio show in Jersey City, to more frequent communication via Twitter in the early 2010s, where they bonded over shared interests and humor. This online rapport intensified during Leo's opening slot on Mann's fall 2012 tour, culminating in a pivotal joint performance at the Pabst Theater in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, on November 11, 2012, where they first shared the stage for duets like "The Gambler," inspiring further collaboration and even the co-written song "Milwaukee." In early 2013, following the tour, Mann and Leo transitioned to in-person songwriting sessions in Los Angeles, approaching the process without predefined roles—each contributing lyrics, melodies, and arrangements fluidly to ensure equal creative input. Their first co-written songs, including "The Gambler," emerged from this egalitarian method, with both artists emphasizing 50/50 songwriting credits to reflect their balanced partnership. This collaborative ethos allowed their distinct styles— Mann's introspective pop and Leo's energetic punk influences—to blend into a hybrid indie rock sound. The duo publicly announced their formation as The Both on February 21, 2013, via and press statements, revealing plans for collaborative performances and recordings. They previewed their new material live shortly after, with Leo joining Mann for shows at ' Largo on March 8 and 9, 2013, where they debuted joint songs to enthusiastic audiences. These early appearances marked the official launch of The Both as a creative entity.

Initial recordings and debut performances

In early 2013, and began their collaborative songwriting for The Both, initially envisioning a six-song EP of original rock-oriented tracks tailored for a three-piece band format. The process involved exchanging musical ideas and lyrical fragments via or video chat, followed by in-person sessions to develop and refine the material, which ultimately informed the selection of songs for their full-length debut album. These initial efforts laid the groundwork for their joint output, blending Mann's melodic sensibilities with Leo's punk-inflected energy. The duo debuted live as The Both in March 2013, performing previews of their new compositions at intimate venues. Their first shows took place at Largo in on March 8 and 9, followed by appearances at Bottom of the Hill in on March 26 and 27, where they showcased the emerging material in a stripped-down setting. These performances featured the core lineup of Mann on bass and Leo on guitar, supported by minimal backing to highlight their vocal harmonies and interplay. Building anticipation for their album, The Both played additional club dates in early 2014, including shows at on April 29 and Music Hall of Williamsburg on May 1 in , as well as performances in . These gigs continued to emphasize previews of the self-titled record, maintaining the duo's focus on tight, energetic sets with occasional drum support to round out the sound.

The Both (2014 album)

Recording and production

The Both's self-titled debut album was recorded throughout 2013 in , , primarily at the Stampede Origin studio. The sessions took place over two periods, reflecting the duo's collaborative approach that began earlier that year. The 11 tracks were co-written by and , with songwriting handled largely separately before joint refinement; typically, one partner would initiate a verse or chorus, and the other would contribute additional sections and lyrics through iterative exchanges. This process blended Mann's pop sensibilities with Leo's rock influences, resulting in songs like "The Gambler," originally sketched by Leo for Mann to sing, and "Bedtime Stories," inspired by the late Scott Miller of . Initially conceived as an EP, the project expanded into a full album due to the pair's creative momentum. The album was produced by Paul Bryan, emphasizing a live band feel, with most recording done in the studio as a to capture an organic energy. Mann handled vocals, bass, and , while Leo contributed vocals and ; the core lineup was completed by Scott Seiver. Additional support came from multi-instrumentalist Paul Bryan, who played bass and on select tracks and provided backing vocals on "Pay For It." This setup transitioned the material from initial acoustic sketches into fuller rock arrangements, prioritizing immediacy over extensive overdubs.

Track listing

The self-titled debut album The Both (2014) features 11 tracks with a total running time of 42:03. All songs were co-written by and (credited as The Both), except for "Honesty Is No Excuse," a cover of the song written by . The album was issued in standard formats including , 12-inch vinyl (in blue and black variants), and digital download, with no bonus tracks or deluxe editions.
No.TitleWriter(s)Length
1."The Gambler"The Both3:08
2."Milwaukee"The Both4:21
3."No Sir"The Both3:46
4."Volunteers of America"The Both3:44
5."Pay for It"The Both3:16
6."You Can't Help Me Now"The Both3:39
7."The Prisoner"The Both4:41
8."Hummingbird"The Both4:04
9."Honesty Is No Excuse"Phil Lynott3:28
10."Bedtime Stories"The Both4:05
11."The Inevitable Shove"The Both3:50

Release, promotion, and music videos

The self-titled debut album The Both was released on April 15, 2014, through SuperEgo Records, Aimee Mann's independent label, with distribution provided by RED Distribution. The album debuted at number 59 on the chart, marking a solid entry for the collaborative project. Promotion for the album centered on the lead single "Milwaukee," which was shared in advance of the release and featured a playful music video depicting an overzealous new band member disrupting rehearsals. The duo supported the record with a U.S. headlining tour that ran from late April through June 2014, including stops at venues like Pearl Street in Northampton, Massachusetts, on April 24 and Metro in Chicago. The "" video, directed by Daniel Ralston, adopted a comedic style that highlighted the duo's chemistry and humor, garnering attention for its lighthearted portrayal of musical collaboration. No additional were prominently released for the during its initial promotion period.

The self-titled debut by The Both received generally favorable reviews upon its , aggregating a score of 79 out of 100 based on 14 critic reviews, with a consensus highlighting the effective chemistry between Aimee Mann's melodic songcraft and Ted Leo's energetic punk influences. SPIN awarded the album 7 out of 10, praising its consistent harmonies and the way it invigorated both artists' styles, with standout tracks like "" and "" exemplifying the duo's blended power-pop appeal. rated it 8 out of 10, calling it a charming collaboration that brought out the best in Mann and Leo, transcending typical side-project limitations through their hand-in-glove vocal interplay. Uncut gave it 80 out of 100, noting how the unlikely pairing succeeded due to the contrast between Mann's refined pop-rock and Leo's spiky approach. Pitchfork offered a more tempered assessment with a score of 5.4 out of 10, applauding witty, performer-perspective lyrics in songs like "Milwaukee" but critiquing the record's plodding tempos, lackluster hooks, and overall lack of innovation that stifled emotional depth. Paste Magazine similarly observed that while the project forced both artists out of their comfort zones, it leaned unevenly toward Mann's sensibilities, resulting in a solid but low-pressure effort. The album earned a nomination for Best Boston Artist That Doesn't Live in Boston at the 2014 Boston Music Awards. In a 2024 retrospective marking its tenth anniversary, critic Zachary Lipez described it as a well-regarded but underappreciated work that peaked at number 59 on the and demonstrated the duo's collaborative potential, though it lacked a major reissue or widespread reevaluation.

Christmas activities

Holiday musical releases

The Both, the musical collaboration between and , began releasing Christmas-themed singles in conjunction with their annual holiday performances starting in 2014. Their debut holiday release, the digital single "Nothing Left to Do (Let's Make This Christmas Blue)," arrived in November 2014 as an original track blending wry melancholy with seasonal introspection, available for download via platforms like . In December 2015, they followed with another original single, "You're a ," a mellow, understated tune that subtly nods to festive tropes while emphasizing personal connection over bombast; it was distributed digitally and premiered alongside their show tour. These early singles established a pattern of limited, show-tied originals that leaned into humorous or bittersweet takes on clichés, with no full album ever produced. In , to mark the tenth anniversary of their debut release, The Both issued a limited-edition 7-inch red vinyl pressing bundling both tracks—"You're a " backed with "Nothing Left to Do (Let's Make This Blue)"—available through specialty retailers. This collection represents the entirety of their output to date, totaling two original songs inspired by their longstanding show tradition.

Annual Christmas shows

The and Christmas Show began in 2014, marking the integration of into Aimee's longstanding holiday performance tradition that originated in in 2006. Initially presented as intimate multi-city events in venues like the Great American Music Hall in and the in , the shows featured the duo performing together for the first time in a festive setting. The format combines musical performances by Mann and Leo—drawing from their joint holiday originals, covers of seasonal classics, and select tracks from their collaborative catalog—with comedic sketches and guest appearances to create an irreverent, variety-show atmosphere. has served as the regular host and comedian since the inaugural run, contributing to the show's playful, non-traditional holiday vibe that emphasizes humor alongside music. By 2015, the production expanded with appearances in larger East Coast theaters such as New York City's , incorporating more elaborate guest spots that highlighted the duo's growing collaborative chemistry. Notable early guests included and in 2014, with Coulton returning in 2015 alongside performers like and John Roderick for duets and ensemble numbers. Regular collaborators in recent years have included comedian and singer , who join for comic interludes and musical contributions, solidifying the show's ensemble feel. The event evolved into a full national tour by the mid-2010s, shifting from a handful of dates to over a dozen annually across theaters and centers, such as the Fitzgerald Theater in St. Paul. This growth has positioned it as a cherished holiday staple, blending Mann and Leo's sensibilities with festive irreverence to draw repeat audiences. The 2025 iteration continues this trajectory with stops including multiple nights at Chicago's Mayfair Theatre on December 11 and 12, the Stoughton Opera House on December 13, and the Fitzgerald Theater in St. Paul on December 14, among others in the Northeast and Midwest.

Later projects and collaborations

Post-2014 joint work

Following the release of their self-titled debut album in 2014, The Both continued to perform select joint live sets at festivals and venues, blending material from the album with covers and improvisations. In 2015, the duo appeared at the in , where they delivered a set highlighting their collaborative chemistry amid a lineup featuring acts like and . They also performed at the Sunshine Music & Blues Festival in , sharing the stage with artists such as and in a performance that showcased their rock-infused harmonies. Additional 2015 appearances included Americanafest in , further demonstrating their ongoing synergy through shared songwriting and vocal interplay. In 2017, and reunited for a co-headlining show at The UC Theatre in , during Mann's tour supporting her solo album Mental Illness, where Leo joined for select numbers, emphasizing their enduring partnership beyond the debut record. These sporadic live collaborations allowed the duo to revisit tracks like "Milwaukee" and experiment with new arrangements, maintaining fan interest without committing to a full tour. As of 2025, The Both have not released a second studio album, with no official announcements or confirmed plans for new recorded material. Their joint efforts have remained focused on occasional live previews of older songs and covers during non-holiday events, underscoring a selective approach to amid each artist's solo pursuits.

Individual contributions to The Both

Aimee Mann's production involvement through her independent label, SuperEgo Records, played a key role in shaping The Both, as it handled the release and distribution of the duo's self-titled 2014 debut album, allowing creative control aligned with her established solo aesthetic. Her lyrical style, characterized by witty observations on human flaws and emotional vulnerability, carried into co-written tracks for The Both, such as "The Gambler," where introspective themes of risk and self-deception blend with the duo's collaborative energy. This approach, honed in her solo catalog, infuses the duo's songs with a layered emotional depth, evident in performances that highlight her bass playing and harmonic contributions during their trio-format tours. Ted Leo's guitar arrangements draw directly from his work with , bringing a raw, stripped-down punk-inflected energy to The Both's sound, as seen in the driving riffs and dynamic textures that complement Mann's melodies on tracks like "." His post-2014 solo album, The Hanged Man (), self-recorded and emphasizing streamlined instrumentation, further refined his ability to balance intensity with subtlety, adding a punk edge to joint live performances where he adapts his furious style to the duo's more intimate settings. This evolution sustains the high-energy rapport in The Both, preventing stagnation in their shared output. The interplay between Mann and Leo's individual paths reinforces The Both's enduring identity, even without new studio albums, by keeping their complementary styles—her poignant lyricism and his propulsive guitar work—vibrant through ongoing live engagements. For instance, Leo's 2024 tour with the Pharmacists, marking the 20th anniversary of Shake the Sheets by performing it in full, revitalized his stage presence and punk roots, which he channels into duo shows. Similarly, Mann's 2025 tour schedule, including solo dates and the annual Christmas shows with Leo, draws on her recent explorations of mental health themes from albums like Queens of the Summer Hotel (2021), enhancing the emotional resonance of their collaborative performances. These solo evolutions, built on decades of parallel careers in alternative rock, allow The Both to thrive as a live entity, blending Mann's folk-leaning introspection with Leo's indie-punk drive in a way that feels continually refreshed.

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