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| Released | March 6, 2001 | |||
| Recorded | June 2000 | |||
| Genre | Technical death metal, avant-garde metal | |||
| Length | 40:41 | |||
| Label | Olympic, Season of Mist, Century Media | |||
| Producer | Gorguts, Pierre Rémillard | |||
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From Wisdom to Hate is the fourth album by Gorguts, released on March 6, 2001 through Olympic Recordings and Season of Mist. The musical style can be considered a compromise between the previous album Obscura and the older albums Considered Dead and The Erosion of Sanity. This is the only Gorguts album to feature drummer Steve MacDonald. MacDonald had a history of recurrent depression and committed suicide in 2002, which eventually led to the break-up of Gorguts in 2005.[2]
Steeve Hurdle went on to form Negativa, which Lemay joined at Hurdle's invitation in 2006. Luc Lemay reformed Gorguts in 2008 with a new lineup and released a new album entitled Colored Sands in 2013.[3]
Release history
[edit]The record label War on Music reissued the album on vinyl in 2011.[4]
Century Media reissued the album in 2015 with expanded liner notes by Luc Lemay on vinyl and CD along with Obscura.[5]
Musical style and writing
[edit]The album's style has been described as somewhere between Obscura and the band's first two albums. According to AllMusic's William York, "In the end, From Wisdom to Hate may not have the same epic scope or crazed intensity as Obscura but, by taking that album's experimentation and fitting it into a (relatively) more straightforward setting, it is certainly more approachable."[1] Pitchfork's Hank Shteamer wrote that on From Wisdom to Hate, "Luc Lemay streamlined Obscura's demented sprawl, yielding a less outlandish yet equally distinguished statement."[6]
"To choose a word to describe the whole album, I would choose antiquity. That is just a start, but it is a good word as two of the songs on this disc deal with the Middle Ages epoch. But all of the other songs are related to the discovery of Mesopotamia and the cultures that made up the cradle of civilization. Where all of the knowledge of mathematics, science and architecture came from. There is a lot to say about it all and it really was a lot of hard work to make sure we got it right. In the layout for the record you'll see I took time to write a prologue to each song so people would know what it was about."[7]
Lemay explained in an interview that the opening track 'Inverted' presented a compositional challenge to him at the time of writing the album. "I got stuck on the middle slow parts for months…and then I was explaining to Dan [Mongrain, FWTH guitarist] what I was picturing, without being able to put my finger on it. Dan played something on a specific rhythm I explained him, and from there everything got clear! I finished the song in a snap."[8]
Track listing
[edit]All lyrics are written by Luc Lemay.
| No. | Title | Music | Length |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1. | "Inverted" | Lemay | 4:23 |
| 2. | "Behave Through Mythos" | Cloutier | 5:10 |
| 3. | "From Wisdom to Hate" | Mongrain, Cloutier | 5:06 |
| 4. | "The Quest for Equilibrium" | Lemay | 6:47 |
| 5. | "Unearthing the Past" | Mongrain | 5:02 |
| 6. | "Elusive Treasures" | Cloutier, Mongrain | 6:19 |
| 7. | "Das Martyrium Des" | Lemay, Mongrain | 4:33 |
| 8. | "Testimonial Ruins" | Mongrain, Lemay | 3:19 |
| Total length: | 40:41 | ||
Personnel
[edit]Adapted from AllMusic credits.[2]
- Luc Lemay – guitars, vocals, assistant engineer, logo design
- Daniel Mongrain – lead guitar
- Steve Cloutier – bass guitar
- Steve MacDonald – drums
- Pierre Rémillard - engineering, mixing, production
- Louis Legault - engineer
References
[edit]- ^ a b York, William. "From Wisdom to Hate review". Allmusic. Retrieved December 9, 2010.
- ^ a b "Gorguts | Biography & History | AllMusic". AllMusic. Retrieved August 26, 2016.
- ^ "Gorguts - From Wisdom to Hate". Encyclopedia Metallum.
- ^ "GORGUTS: 'From Wisdom To Hate', 'Obscura' Albums To Be Released On Vinyl". January 26, 2011. Retrieved August 26, 2016.
- ^ "Century Media Records - Gorguts: : announce release of "Obscura" and "From Wisdom To Hate" reissues in April!". www.centurymedia.com. Archived from the original on August 28, 2016. Retrieved August 26, 2016.
- ^ "Gorguts: Colored Sands Album Review | Pitchfork". pitchfork.com. Retrieved August 27, 2016.
- ^ "metalupdate.com - Features". www.metalupdate.com. Retrieved August 27, 2016.
- ^ Moore, Doug (July 25, 2013). "Interview: Luc Lemay of Gorguts". Invisible Oranges. Archived from the original on May 30, 2016. Retrieved August 26, 2016.
From Wisdom to Hate
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From Wisdom to Hate is the fourth studio album by the Canadian technical death metal band Gorguts, released on March 6, 2001, through Olympic Recordings and distributed by Season of Mist.[1] Featuring a lineup of Luc Lemay on vocals and rhythm guitar, Daniel Mongrain on lead guitar, Steve Cloutier on bass, and Steve MacDonald on drums, the album consists of eight tracks totaling approximately 40 minutes and was recorded in June 2000 at Studio Victor in Montreal, Quebec, with production by Pierre Rémillard.[2] The record marks the debut of guitarist Mongrain, known as "Chewy," who contributed to its songwriting alongside Lemay and Cloutier.[1]
Musically, From Wisdom to Hate blends the intricate technicality of Gorguts' previous album Obscura (1998) with the raw speed and riffing of their earlier works like The Erosion of Sanity (1993), resulting in unpredictable structures, expert tempo shifts between blistering blasts and crawling sludges, and a balance of chaotic intensity with relative accessibility.[3] Standout tracks include "Behave Through Mythos," praised for its fluid riffs and dynamic shifts; "Unearthing the Past," noted for its punishing complexity; and the title track, which exemplifies the album's thematic descent from enlightenment to rage through aggressive, dissonant guitar work.[3] The production is clear yet raw, allowing the band's instrumentation—highlighted by Lemay's throaty, monotone growls and Mongrain's razor-sharp leads—to shine without the overt experimentation of prior releases.[4]
Upon release, From Wisdom to Hate received acclaim within the extreme metal community for its masterful fusion of brutality and sophistication, often hailed as a cornerstone of technical death metal and one of Gorguts' finest efforts, though some critics noted its shorter length as a minor drawback.[3] It has since been reissued multiple times, including a 2011 edition by Deepsend Records, cementing its status as an essential listen for fans of progressive and avant-garde death metal.[4]
Total length: 40:34.[1][30][17]
Background
Gorguts' prior career
Gorguts was formed in 1989 in Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, by vocalist and guitarist Luc Lemay, initially as a death/thrash metal band drawing from the burgeoning Canadian extreme metal scene.[5] The group quickly signed with Roadrunner Records and released their debut album Considered Dead in 1991, followed by The Erosion of Sanity in 1993, both showcasing a raw, aggressive death metal sound with thrash influences and themes of anti-religion and social decay.[6][7] These early releases helped establish the band within Quebec's metal community, alongside acts like Voivod and Cryptopsy, and included tours across North America that built a dedicated underground following despite limited commercial success.[8] After The Erosion of Sanity, Roadrunner dropped the band due to shifting label priorities toward more accessible metal styles, prompting a multi-year hiatus during which Lemay refined his compositional approach.[8] Gorguts reformed in the mid-1990s with a revamped lineup and independent backing from Olympic Recordings, culminating in the 1998 release of Obscura, a groundbreaking shift to experimental technical death metal defined by dissonant, atonal riffs, intricate polyrhythms, and avant-garde structures that challenged conventional genre boundaries.[9][10] Obscura received critical praise for its innovation but struggled commercially on the small label, exacerbating lineup instability as the band navigated financial pressures and creative demands in the niche extreme metal market.[11] Key departures followed, including guitarist Steeve Hurdle—who had co-shaped Obscura's direction—and drummer Patrick Robert, leaving Lemay and bassist Steve Cloutier to rebuild amid ongoing challenges from Quebec's insular yet supportive metal ecosystem.[12] This period of flux led directly to further lineup adjustments and the conception of the next album.Album conception and lineup
Following the release of Obscura in 1998, Gorguts underwent significant lineup changes, with guitarist Steeve Hurdle and drummer Patrick Robert departing the band, leaving frontman Luc Lemay and bassist Steve Cloutier as the remaining members from the Obscura lineup. Lemay decided to continue under the Gorguts banner, recruiting guitarist Daniel "Chewy" Mongrain from the technical death metal band Martyr in 1999 to fill the void; Mongrain brought a high level of technical precision to the group's riffing and lead work, contributing to songwriting and arrangements as well.[1] Bassist Steve Cloutier was retained from the Obscura lineup for continuity, while drummer Steve MacDonald was added to provide intricate and complex rhythmic foundations that enhanced the album's dynamic shifts.[1] The creative conception for From Wisdom to Hate centered on Lemay's aim to temper the avant-garde dissonance and extremity of Obscura with more structured grooves and accessibility, creating a bridge between the band's earlier, straightforward death metal roots and its experimental evolution—Lemay later described the prior album as "more extreme" in comparison.[13] Pre-production writing began in late 1999, emphasizing riffs that blended atonal chaos with memorable, groove-oriented patterns to maintain intensity without alienating listeners.[14] Conceptually, the album explored themes of societal and civilizational downfall, drawing from Lemay's burgeoning interest in ancient history, particularly the cycles of rise, wisdom, and eventual hatred or destruction in empires like Baghdad's historical trajectory.[15] This inspiration manifested in the album's structure, with each track featuring a brief prologue to set narrative context, underscoring the progression from enlightenment to decay across ancient civilizations.[15]Recording and production
Studio sessions
The recording of From Wisdom to Hate took place in June 2000 at Studio Victor in Montreal, Quebec.[16][17] The band captured the eight tracks comprising the album.[18] Strong pre-production work, including structured songwriting influenced by Luc Lemay's studies in violin and composition, enabled efficient basic tracking.[19] The new lineup's developing chemistry, built during the conception phase, contributed to this focused approach.[19] These efforts culminated in the album's total runtime of 40:41.[17]Engineering and mixing
The album From Wisdom to Hate was produced by the band Gorguts and engineer Pierre Rémillard, with recording and engineering taking place at Studio Victor in Montreal, Quebec, during June 2000 and mixing completed in August 2000.[20][21] Mastering was handled by Sylvain Brisebois.[20] Daniel Mongrain and Lemay provided assistance on keyboard engineering for track 4, "The Quest for Equilibrium," contributing to the integration of atmospheric elements.[21] The controlled environment at Studio Victor facilitated refinements during post-tracking.[20]Musical style and composition
Genre characteristics
From Wisdom to Hate is classified as a technical death metal album incorporating avant-garde influences, characterized by atonal riffs, odd time signatures, and blast beats that distinguish it within the subgenre.[22] Unlike the more chaotic and dissonant Obscura (1998), this record adopts a more melodic and groove-oriented approach, emphasizing structured songwriting with intricate yet accessible rhythms.[14] The lineup's technical proficiency, including contributions from guitarist Daniel Mongrain and drummer Steve MacDonald, enables these complex elements while maintaining a cohesive death metal foundation.[22] The album blends the brutality of Gorguts' early works, such as Considered Dead (1991), with experimental dissonance, positioning it as a bridge between their raw death metal roots and later avant-garde explorations.[14] Comprising eight tracks, it prioritizes riff-based composition over unrelenting chaos, fostering a punishing yet intellectually engaging sound through dissonant harmonies and syncopated grooves.[22] Influences from progressive metal acts like Voivod inform the album's unconventional structures, while nods to classical composers such as Igor Stravinsky contribute to its atmospheric tension and rich, dark textures.[23][24] This release departs from standard death metal conventions by employing cleaner production values, which enhance clarity and accessibility without diluting its intensity, allowing the intricate layers to emerge more prominently for listeners.[14] The result is a sophisticated evolution of the genre, balancing extremity with melodic intrigue to broaden its appeal within technical death metal circles.[14]Instrumental techniques
The dual guitar approach on From Wisdom to Hate by Luc Lemay and Daniel Mongrain emphasizes dissonant harmonies and complex riff progressions, often drawing on harmonic minor scales to evoke a dark, atmospheric ambience.[25] Their interplay incorporates techniques like wild pinch harmonics and guitar scrapes in off-kilter passages, alongside acrobatic lead solos that add layers of technical flair without overshadowing the rhythmic foundation.[26] These elements contribute to the album's twisted riffs, which blend experimentation with more traditional structures compared to prior works, fostering tension through bizarre harmonic squeals and shifting patterns.[4] Steve Cloutier's bass lines support the guitar-centric arrangements with phenomenal performances that underscore the tracks' punishing complexity. While often following the riffs, his contributions enhance the overall textural depth.[14] Steve MacDonald's drumming drives the album's technical density through expert tempo shifts, intense blast beats, and pummeling patterns that navigate complex time signatures and polyrhythmic elements.[25][4] His fills and double-bass work propel abrupt changes from blistering speeds to crawling sections, adding organic precision that amplifies the music's dissonance and brutality.[26] Luc Lemay's vocal delivery mixes guttural death growls with throatier, lower-register snarls, delivering tortured and brutal expressions that convey emotional intensity while remaining powerful yet somewhat monotone.[26][4] Layering is applied sparingly to preserve mix clarity, allowing the vocals to integrate seamlessly with the instrumental chaos.[25] Innovations in riff construction within harmonic minor frameworks create dynamic tension-release cycles across the album, exemplified by squawking experimental passages and doomy progressions.[25][4] These techniques reflect the genre's high technical demands, prioritizing virtuosic interplay over conventional death metal tropes.[14]Lyrics and themes
Historical influences
The lyrics of From Wisdom to Hate draw heavily from ancient historical and cultural sources, particularly those of Mesopotamian and Babylonian civilizations, to explore themes of societal evolution from enlightenment to destruction. Luc Lemay, the band's guitarist and vocalist, has described the album as marking his initial deep dive into ancient history, framing it as "a journey into the heart of antiquity" that reflects the progression from wisdom—embodied in early cultural and philosophical achievements—to hate, manifested through bloodshed and collapse.[15][27] This conceptual arc is inspired by the historical trajectory of regions like ancient Mesopotamia, where cities such as Babylon transitioned from centers of knowledge and innovation to sites of conflict and ruin, a motif Lemay explicitly links to the album's title track.[15] Lemay conducted research into historical texts to ensure authenticity, focusing on Babylonian lore and Mesopotamian myths, including elements from Sumerian epics that depict cycles of creation, war, and conquest. These non-Western influences, such as ancient Near Eastern philosophies emphasizing human hubris and inevitable downfall, provide a timeless lens on ruin and decay, deliberately avoiding modern political commentary in favor of universal themes of societal disintegration. Approximately half the album's tracks—five songs—center on Mesopotamian themes, portraying the erosion of wisdom through conquest and internal strife, contrasting sharply with the fantasy-oriented tropes common in metal lyrics.[27] The album also incorporates medieval European elements, drawing from historical and literary depictions of religious fervor and intellectual inversion during the Middle Ages. For instance, the track "Inverted" is lyrically inspired by Umberto Eco's The Name of the Rose, a novel set in a 14th-century Italian monastery that examines forbidden knowledge, heresy, and the clash between faith and reason amid monastic conflicts. Similarly, "Das Martyrium Des..." references the martyrdom of Saint Sebastian, evoking medieval European artistic and religious traditions of suffering and persecution, as adapted in Claude Debussy's opera Martyrdom of Saint Sebastian. These sources underscore the album's broader exploration of how historical wisdom—whether ancient philosophical systems or medieval theological debates—devolves into hatred through dogma, war, and institutional betrayal.[27][28]Narrative structure
Each track on From Wisdom to Hate is accompanied by a written prologue in the liner notes, provided by Luc Lemay, establishing mythological or historical vignettes that contextualize the song.[19] These prologues, as described by Lemay, serve to contextualize the thematic elements of antiquity and downfall within each song's framework.[19] The lyrics are structured as allegories of downfall, employing repetitive motifs such as "inverted" truths and "mythos" deception to construct a thematic arc progressing from the illusion of wisdom to the stark reality of hatred. This approach weaves philosophical undertones throughout, drawing briefly on Mesopotamian sources as a foundational influence for the album's exploration of ancient civilizations.[29] Reviewers have noted how these motifs create a grim, mythos-like atmosphere that underscores the narrative's progression. The poetic style blends archaic language with abstract death metal imagery, prioritizing philosophical decay over literal storytelling to evoke existential anguish and negativity. Lemay has emphasized metal's capacity as a medium for such poetry, infusing darker elements into explorations of common historical and societal ideas.[19] This stylistic choice enhances the lyrics' sophistication, making them articulate and decipherable amid the genre's typical aggression. As a conceptual whole, the album achieves cohesion through shared motifs of ruin that link the tracks, fostering a narrative flow without being explicitly labeled a concept album.[19] The deliberate song architecture ensures a natural progression between pieces, balancing technical intricacy with melodic harmonies to maintain thematic unity.[19] This interconnected structure reflects a mature evolution in Gorguts' composition, emphasizing fluid intensity and dissonance across the record.[29]Release and promotion
Initial distribution
From Wisdom to Hate was released on March 6, 2001, by Olympic Recordings in North America and Season of Mist in Europe.[30][17] The album was distributed primarily in CD format, featuring standard jewel case packaging for both regional editions.[2][31] No vinyl or other physical formats were issued at launch, and promotional versions included a CD promo from Olympic Recordings and a cardboard sleeve promo from Season of Mist.[32] Initial distribution targeted the underground technical death metal audience through specialty metal distributors and import networks, reflecting the niche market for Gorguts' experimental sound. No official singles or music videos were produced, with promotion relying on print ads in metal fanzines and limited merchandise like album promo posters.[17][33] Commercial performance was constrained by the genre's limited mainstream appeal, fostering growth via word-of-mouth within death metal communities rather than broad retail channels.[34]Reissues and variants
The album From Wisdom to Hate has seen several reissues and variants since its original 2001 release on Olympic Recordings and Season of Mist, catering to collectors and fans seeking different formats and enhanced presentations.[30] In 2010, Deepsend Records issued a limited edition digipak CD reissue (DSR048).[35] In 2011, War on Music issued a vinyl reissue (WOM021), marking the album's first analog pressing post-original and emphasizing its appeal in physical collectible form.[36] Century Media released a reissue in 2015, available in multiple formats including standard CD and limited-edition 180-gram vinyl variants such as silver (200 copies via CMDistro Europe/US), transparent red (200 copies via CMDistro US), and clear (100 copies via Season of Mist exclusive), accompanied by printed jackets featuring lyrics and liner notes.[37] A digital version became available on Bandcamp around this period, offering high-quality streaming and downloads in formats like FLAC at 16-bit/44.1 kHz, further broadening accessibility for fans.[1] Punishment 18 Records followed with a CD reissue (P18R 147) in 2019, providing a standard jewel case edition for continued availability in Europe.[38] In 2023, MDD Records released CD reissues including a limited digipak edition (MDD251DP) and a standard jewel case (MDD251). Also in 2023, Tentacles Industries issued limited vinyl editions (TNTCLS027), including transparent red/black smoke, solid red/black splatter, and standard variants.[30] In 2025, Dissonant Tapes released the album's first official cassette edition (PITRIFF 100) on May 17, featuring a pad-printed shell, a 7-panel J-card with full lyrics, credits, and photos, and recorded on high-quality RTM911 tape for audiophile fidelity; this edition was officially licensed by Century Media and approved by band leader Luc Lemay.[21][39]Critical reception
Contemporary reviews
Upon its release in 2001, From Wisdom to Hate received generally positive reviews within the niche death metal scene, with critics praising its blend of technical complexity and accessible brutality as a return to form after the more experimental Obscura. The album's riff craftsmanship and approachable technicality were frequently highlighted.[25] In a contemporary review for Chronicles of Chaos, Adam Lineker rated the album 7 out of 10, commending its raw intensity, complex riffs, and evidence of strong musicianship through intricate time signatures and dissonance, which created a dark, ominous atmosphere reminiscent of Nile. He noted the album's effort in delivering an extreme yet progressive sound, with particular praise for the expressive mood in tracks like "Elusive Treasures". However, Lineker critiqued the production for lacking sharpness, resulting in sludgy guitars and a gated snare that diminished impact, as well as the vocals for being powerful yet monotone and occasionally lapsing into unintelligible cacophony.[25] User reviews on sites like Encyclopaedia Metallum averaged around 8/10, often noting the effective mix of brutality and melody while pointing to occasional issues with vocal clarity. Due to the genre's underground status, mainstream coverage was limited, though the complexity resonated strongly with progressive metal enthusiasts.[14]Retrospective analysis and legacy
In the 2010s, metal publications and blogs increasingly recognized From Wisdom to Hate as a cornerstone of technical death metal, praising its innovative riffing and blend of dissonance with structured brutality. For instance, a 2011 reissue review in Last Rites described the album as a "mandatory listen for anyone seeking technicality and complexity mixed with undeniable brutality," highlighting its role in pushing the genre's boundaries beyond mere speed and aggression.[4] Similarly, Encyclopaedia Metallum user reviews from the decade onward, such as a 2013 analysis, lauded its elaboration of "Obscura"-era chaos into more accessible yet elaborate riffs, cementing its status as a classic in dissonant death metal.[40] The album's riff innovation has notably influenced subsequent technical death metal acts, including Archspire and Rivers of Nihil, who draw from its asymmetrical, counter-intuitive guitar work to inform their own progressive and dissonant compositions. A 2020 Encyclopaedia Metallum review emphasized how tracks like "Inverted" exemplify this with "counter-intuitive, asymmetrical riffs" that prioritize fluid intensity over conventional patterns, a technique echoed in the intricate, genre-blending structures of bands like Archspire's Relentless Mutation and Rivers of Nihil's atmospheric explorations.[41] This influence extends to the broader evolution of avant-garde death metal, where Gorguts' approach to merging melodic leads with atonal squeals inspired a "New Weird" trend, as noted in a 2013 review linking it to Immolation's experimental shifts.[40] Following Gorguts' reformation in 2008, live performances frequently incorporated tracks from From Wisdom to Hate, such as "Inverted" and "Orphans of Sickness" (from earlier works but contextualized alongside it), which helped sustain the album's visibility among newer audiences during tours supporting later releases like Colored Sands.[42] These sets often showcased the album's enduring appeal, blending its material with the band's post-hiatus material to demonstrate its foundational role in their catalog. The 2025 cassette reissue by Dissonant Tapes, announced in April 2025, further revitalized interest in the album.[43][44] The album's legacy is inextricably linked to the tragic suicide of drummer Steve MacDonald in 2002, shortly after its recording, and the band's subsequent breakup in 2005, which imbued its themes of ideological conflict with added emotional resonance for fans and critics.[45] This context has elevated retrospective appreciations, positioning it as a poignant endpoint to Gorguts' early experimental phase. It consistently ranks in "best death metal albums" lists, earning an average user rating of 3.8 out of 5 on Rate Your Music based on over 4,000 ratings, reflecting its high regard among enthusiasts.[34] Fan analyses have filled gaps in formal coverage by underscoring the album's pivotal role in avant-garde death metal's evolution, often describing it as a bridge refining "Obscura"'s noise into mature, iconoclastic songwriting that remains essential for genre deep-dives. A 2023 Encyclopaedia Metallum review captured this by praising tracks like "Behave Through Mythos" and the title song for their "twisted and original" vision, making it indispensable for understanding technical death metal's progression toward artsy dissonance.[46] Building on its initial acclaim as an innovative pivot from the band's brutal roots, the album's retrospective value lies in its lasting blueprint for complexity in extreme metal.Album content
Track listing
All tracks are written by members of Gorguts, with lyrics by Luc Lemay; music credits are noted per track. The album booklet includes prologues written by Lemay preceding each track, offering philosophical and historical context.[19]| No. | Title | Duration | Music by |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | "Inverted" | 4:22 | Lemay |
| 2 | "Behave Through Mythos" | 5:09 | Cloutier |
| 3 | "From Wisdom to Hate" | 5:06 | Mongrain, Cloutier |
| 4 | "The Quest for Equilibrium" | 6:47 | Lemay |
| 5 | "Unearthing the Past" | 5:01 | Lemay |
| 6 | "Elusive Treasures" | 4:00 | Lemay, Cloutier |
| 7 | "Ordeals" | 2:53 | Lemay |
| 8 | "Nostalgia" (instrumental) | 7:15 | Lemay |